Neanderthal theory and race

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I don't know that. It was a suspcicion based on information I gathered about Asian imigrants in the US. If it is the case that only 25% of the Asians in the US is from South Asia, I simply have to revise what their lower scores means. So, as I said, there is no evidence of lower Asian participation in the US, and since I haven't broken down Asians in the US based on ancestral region, I don't know if some part of Asia has lower participation or not. Such break-down would not work anyway as some regions have more imigrants than others, so it would be hard to get any useful data by doing this. It's kind of the case of world-wide participation. We expect language, BNP and culture to affect global participation rates.



Interesting.

The 25% for South Asians was based on the Wiki information I provided earlier. The source is the 2010 census, so it is reputable information. It provides solid percentages for the other areas of Asia as well.

I've been trying to figure out why you have gotten such a high rate of interest among American Indians; it is counterintuitive because they live as impoverished people for the most part in the US, that don't have proper access to health care or Asperger Awareness education.

I think I may have an answer.

It's statistically unlikely you are reaching high numbers of Native American Indians because the number of actual Native American Indians on Indian Reservations that actually have broad band internet access is10 percent compared to the 70% average that others have in the US. The numbers of Native American Indians counted in the US are predominantly those that live on Indian Reservations.

http://sacnas.org/about/stories/sacnas-news/spring-2011/seat-table-dissolving-digital-divide

For some Americans the only ancestry they know other than American, is a story about a great great great grandmother who was a native american indian or similiar story, even though they are obviously of predominant Caucasian Ancestry.

So, since you list no option for "American" ancestry they have three choices, American Indian, Caucasian that is listed as a Header for every country with Caucasians except for North America, or Other.

The correct answer would be Caucasian, but only if they determined it was an option and not a header. The way the list presented is presented it appears a selection needs to be made below the header if a selection can be found.

For those that have no awareness of country of origin in Europe, some will choose American Indian, because it is the only ancestor they are aware of other than American, which is not a choice under a general category..

I can trace my origin to England through a maternal Great-Great Grandfather and origin to Native American through my maternal Great-Great Grandmother. An origin through my Paternal Grandfather to the Black Forest of Germany and an origin through my Paternal Grandmother equally to Spain and France.

The most recent ancestory of origin was in Germany, however given everything I know, there are equal percentages of French, Spanish, just a little earlier on my Grandmothers side, and predominantly English on my mothers side, so as far as predominant contribution is concerned it is probably English. This stuff can get pretty complicated from verbal histories, in Americans, because it is such an heterogenos culture.

I sincerely don't think you can count on the American Indian results as indicative of a response from actual native American Indians that live on reservations. Sometimes it's the only piece of the melting pot that anyone takes specific notice of, other than American.

My Grandfather exhibited all the signs of Aspergers, my father and his twin; Only one out six descendents from my Grandfather don't have an ASD. As much as I talk about cultural influence on neurodiverse traits, I am of firm belief that there are strong biological/genetic factors in regard to HFA/Aspergers. Six out of Seven, has no other reasonable explanation.

And as a very hairy teenager, as opposed to many of my peers, as well as my father and grandfather, well before I understood anything about Anthropology, the thought crossed my mind more than once, that my grandfather might of had distant neanderthal ancestry in the Black Forest of Germany, which sounded like a good place for a Neanderthal to Live at that time, in the 70's.

I was really excited about the theory when I first heard about it; you really have gone through a great deal effort and statistical analysis in an attempt to evidence the theory.

I think though, the racial aspect that you have derived conclusions from in your statistical analysis of African Americans, and American Indians, have objective problems with methodology, that are significant.

You are at a disadvantage because you live so far away from the US, and haven't been exposed to the type of subcultural patterns in behavior that drive one to consider other answers, that you may be unaware of.

For most purposes in the US, African Americans have been geographically isolated as a culture separate from the rest of American culture, particulary until the last few decades as aspects of that culture have become part of mainstream American culture. This led to a very different culture, that still has significant differences.

There is still a town in my county that only a few years ago, was not considered safe for African American to travel through at night. There are still no African Americans that live there that I am aware of. There are still many issues of discrimination in America that have been a part of life for so long, that are just accepted as is.

What I am trying to emphasize is that their cultural differences definitely impact their interests in life, and even without any research on my part, I know that you aren't likely going to get a good result from African Americans from an online "Aspie Quiz", if for no other reason, that the term "Aspie", is almost completely off their subcultural radar.

And in my opinion the term "Aspie" is likely almost completely off the subcultural radar of Native American Indians living on reservations, not only because of cultural awareness, but also because of lack of access to the online environment, where the quiz is available.

So what I suggest is try a "Black Planet Link" if you can, and see if it makes a significant difference in participation.

What might be interesting is to compare just "Wrong Planet" to "Black Planet" results. Both sites have heavy traffic. Wrong Planet is of majority Caucasian percentage from surveys done here.

And, If I had to guess without looking on the Black Planet site, you will probably find a significant number of Caucasians that are in effect part of that Subculture. Maybe as much as 10 to 30 percent of the members there.

As far as the American Indian situation, I think a reasonable thing to do at this point is to accept ancestory results as likely skewed on that part of the test, because of individual interpretation on the choices available in the list that is provided, as well as the evidence that only 10 percent of the reservation/Indian community populations have broad band access.

Or, perhaps modify the list where Caucasian is the first Header directly under Hispanic and South American Indian where it will appear in alignment with the other single choices, rather than potentially mistaken as only a Header down further in the list, and not a choice.

If you suddenly get significantly less input, for American Indian, you will know immediately if the placement of Caucasian as a Header further down on the list, was a significant problem, that potentially led to a skewed result.

I forced myself to read this opinion piece after that point.

Wow, what incredible ignorance.

I wonder what the OP thinks of Denisovian ancestry in the dark-skinned, blond haired Melanesian population, the only human population so far to have that particular ancestry. And on that note, I am mistaken. I still wonder what the OP thinks of it.

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I might update the racial supplement to the Neanderthal theory to be more up-to-date, and to avoid some of the most prevalent misunderstandings about what the Neanderthal theory has to say about race and neurodiversity. I could do this without needing to update the complete theory, which is a much too lengthy project right now. The next version of the Neanderthal theory should be in such a shape that it can be published, and this would require a lot of work and time which I don't have right now.

If Autistics are neanderthal, then how come we don't look like cavemen? Well, I don't anyway.

It is because the connection between Neanderthal biology (appearance) and Neanderthal behavior has been strongly selected against, because it provides an opportunity to detect Neanderthal behavior early, and put the child in the woods. Just think about it. If Autistics were born to look like Neanderthals today, many parents would either abort them, or put them in the woods.

OK, so I have updated the racial aspect of the Neanderthal theory: http://www.rdos.net/eng/race.htm

Feel free to post further objections in this thread. Even though I'm quite certain that my arguments about neurodiversity in Africa, it is not directly included in the description. I use Neanderthal ancestry instead of neurodiversity, but they are really one and the same if the Neanderthal theory is true. They have to be. At least the European type of neurodiversity.

Where does the Aspie Quiz get its validity from?

But Neanderthals scare me. Now I'm one and I never knew it until I came on here.

I think the OP just likes the ideas of neurodiversity and having Neanderthal DNA.

I must admit, the thought of having Neanderthal DNA is really cool.

I forget where I heard this, but Africans are the most genetically diverse group on the planet. Saying they don't have neurodiversity like everyone else is silly. It's even sillier to say that African people don't because they don't share DNA in common with Neanderthals is even sillier. And to base it on a self-designed, self-reporting quiz? Stupid.

How about those Denisovian cousins of Neanderthals, eh?

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That's a question that takes 8,000 words to explain. Briefly it is by using factor analysis on a wide range of neurodiversity traits, and finding that regardless of which traits are selected, the factors will stay the same. These were the factors introduced by Neanderthal and modern humans, and which explain most of human diversity. Aspie Quiz then uses the factor loadings for the factors to calculate the Aspie and neurotypical scores.

Because of this design, Aspie Quiz does not need professional evaluation of participants and it doesn't need a random sample. The test is self-consistent, and anybody could develop another test with similar properties provided they can get enough people to answer it in order to select the best traits.

We should anticipate that Denisovians were similar to Neanderthals because they are closer related to Neanderthal than to modern humans, and because they evolved in a similar environment.

Genetical diversity is not the same thing as functional behavioral diversity. The genetic diversity of Africans is mostly nonsense mutations with no function. Most of the diversity Eurasians have from Neanderthal is functional diversity, not nonsense mutations.

Had it occurred to you how black people may feel about being told most of their genetic diversity is nonsense with no function? Do you think through the implications of what you say for even just a few seconds and engage the internal censor?

It is. Most genetic diversity is nonsense mutations. That is why it can be used to research population history. You cannot use mutations with a function to research population history. Why would I lie about that?

So I'm born to be living in a cave or woods, only hunting for food and using my only form of communcation as sounding like an ape?

I think I might find that I can cope in the life I'm living now better than living like that. I don't think I've got the mind to want to do that.


And why don't you just say that Autistics are part everything, because every few months a new thread pops up saying Autistics are part something else. We're just as human as the next person, OK? I'm no cave man, I don't feel like one, and I am not going to be convinced that I am from some kind of prehistoric African race what existed millions of years ago.

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No way!