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06 Oct 2008, 9:59 pm

If I were immortal, I could live anywhere in the universe.



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06 Oct 2008, 10:49 pm

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NB, ValMikeSmith, I find it quite difficult to read your posts, with all those spurious line feeds embedded, so that I see an odd word or so wrapped to the next line down on alternate lines. Spare a though for people who do not use a screen width identical to whatever it is you are using.


Sorry, Lau. Thanks for telling me about that so I can fix it.



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06 Oct 2008, 11:49 pm

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Yay, this is one of my favourite topics:)

I didn't read all the posts (yet), because I am so excited that there is a topic about immortality, I have to post my idea!
Since I know about death and actually understood the concept of life I wanted to find a way of not dying (I guess everyone thinks about it at least once in his/her life) and I found an alternative way of immortality. First of all I don't believe in god or in the existence of any other higher being, so I wanted a solution using pure science. Let's assume that physics is quite good enough to describe our world, the universe. The main concept in my immortality theory is that everything is built of smaller objects. The exact details are irrelevant, does not matter how the larger objects are built or what are they called or anything like that. Let's assume that the world is infinite large and the time is infinite as well. This means that there was something before the big bang and there will be something after an infinite long time as well. Now let's describe a person as a series of objects, in this case the objects will be the smallest objects in the universe. If there is no smallest object, i.e. everything is built of an even smaller object and this is true for every object (this is some kind of recursion) then take the smallest object that actually has an effect on a scale which can be detected by us. Assuming that the world is infinite large and the time is infinite as well the probability that there is an exact same series of object as me is not zero. This means that if I wait for an infinite long time (and after my death I have time:P) I'll exist again in the exact same state in the future, because the exact same series of object will be there somewhere. We simply look at the universe as a big random generator generating infinite amount of numbers and if it generates one specific number then that's a person. This also means that the probabiliy of you being 'resurrected' without that deadly disease (which killed you in the past) is not zero. Uhm, that's it, if you are patient you'll live forever:)

By the way there are a number of exciting side effects of this theory. This randomization is also valid of the world around you. You can be resurrected in an infinite number of different worlds, with an infinite number of special abilities, you can be rich, you can fly or anything which is physically possible:) In fact you can experience every possible thing in the world in infinite time.
The other side effect is that the past is infinite as well and probably you have done everything in the past.:)

Sorry if my english is confusing at times:)


Even though I agree that the Universe is infinite. I do not believe that you can reincarnate in the "exact" same way. If it were "exact", it would be the perceived verse you are entangled within at this moment. Some food for thought though, two seconds from now you will be in a completely different verse. When you wake up in the morning, if you wake up :/, I hope you do, you will be in another verse as well.


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07 Oct 2008, 12:22 am

b9 wrote:
Ishmael wrote:
Life is a singular occurance in an infinite universe. It recurs, whilst not at once. The universe is a contradictory place, insofar as human understanding holds.


is your avatar a picture of you? you look cranky.
your post seems a bit fluffy tonight.

perhaps you have been drinking.

or perhaps my severe autism makes me perceive you in that light.

how can something occur only once in an infinite possibilities?

i do not understand the "recurs but not at once" bit. especially since singular events are not recursive.

i agree that contradiction is only in the mind of beholders.

there is nothing good or bad in the universe except the thoughts that pronounce them so.


Everything is relative. Every configuration is relational. An occurence is limited to that one occurence in absolute terms. An event can not actually happen twice, if it did, it would be the same event, not the second.


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07 Oct 2008, 12:23 am

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I said that the devil is advocating death, NOT long life!

I did not say that God forbids long life, I attempted to say he is all for it. JOHN 3:16 example.

I also said that it is a religious sin to be against long life.

At least that's what I meant to say.

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Is the universe finite?

LOL question. Any answer will do. THE universe is ONE universe, therefore it is finite.


One can be divided an infinite amount of times.


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07 Oct 2008, 12:57 am

Those living today will probably not live forever, but the technology of growing organs/body parts, might progress until they are able to replace most anything. I don't know if that would make us immortal, but, it should substantially increase lifespans. It might ultimately depend on brain longevity, because I doubt they could duplicate it exactly, without you becomming someone else. How long can the human brain continue to function healthily? :?:


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07 Oct 2008, 8:02 am

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Those living today will probably not live forever, but the technology of growing organs/body parts, might progress until they are able to replace most anything. I don't know if that would make us immortal, but, it should substantially increase lifespans. It might ultimately depend on brain longevity, because I doubt they could duplicate it exactly, without you becomming someone else. How long can the human brain continue to function healthily?


The author of this article at the age of 60 believes he can live forever. At the age of 35 he was diagnosed with diabetes (type 2). He is taking great care of himself because he believes he will live long enough to meet the technological boom this century. He calls it a bridge, to a bridge, to a bridge. Technology (including medical) will grow so rapidy that early tecnological in health will give you a bridge to the next breakthrough.



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07 Oct 2008, 8:06 am

Have any Christians on here thought that the coming of Singularity (dramatic technological advances) could be the next coming of Christ? Why does Christ have to be in a white robe and a beard?



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07 Oct 2008, 8:37 am

A technology boom as the second coming of Christ? These are two completely different things. You can't compare them.



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07 Oct 2008, 8:54 am

The Singularity is the geek equivalent of the Rapture because there are so many utopian themes related to it: extended lifespan, abundant food, cheap commodities, space travel, etc.



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07 Oct 2008, 8:56 am

A Geek Rapture? I can accept that. :lol:



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07 Oct 2008, 8:57 am

I think the OP was speaking metaphorically. The second coming of christ equates to a technological boom but I challenge that metaphor.

I'd compare a technological boom to a renaissance. Nano technology will be the harbinger of this renaissance. We are living in the dark ages now.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:01 am

"Living in Dark Ages" is relative.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:02 am

Your cousins are relative too.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:19 am

the ridiculousness of the notion of any means by which a singular organism can live forever is profound.

even the notion of a species living forever is absurd.

life on earth began in the statherian period (the last period within the paleoproterozoic era)which was just over 1,800 million years ago.

that was about 1/8th of the way back to the big bang.

since then, no species has gone the full distance.

by far, the more complex species have meteoric rises and catastrophic exits from the blend.

so there are protozoa that have remained unchanged for a very long time.
but each individual is just an "atom" in the fabric of certain protozoan species longevity.

no one thing can retain it's grip within the prime of it's life forever.

when you talk of living 969 years like that meth fellow, even if that was true and you were having a "ball" at 968, and then you were told you had terminal cancer and had six months to live, you would be just as devastated then as you would be today that you are going to end soon.

if death is going to happen sometime, then your life is always just a reduction of days left.. no matter how many days you have to begin with.

there will be a point in every life where there is just one day left.

and it will be just as painful no matter how many days preceded it.

but to be granted a wish for eternal consciousness by a "genie" would result in total and eternal damnation i believe.

i think the universe will expand forever given the data, and this was the only time the big bang will happen. (i do have a "bubble surface tension (lateral gravity between surface layers of universal shells)" idea that may make me think elsewise in the future)

so if i was granted eternal consciousness, i may see the universe drift forever outward, and decay to inert matter and there will never again be life.

the matter may annihilate itself in a complete and final decay after an unimaginable amount of time.

then there is an empty blackness forever and ever.
and i will always be there to see it and i will never sleep.
i will witness it forever.

there is nothing in the universe for me to think about and i am still fully alert and ready.......forever and ever.

that is the worst dream imaginable.
i would say "no" to eternal consciousness.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:32 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Your cousins are relative too.


Goes without saying. But are we living the Dark Ages relative to the Italian Renaissance or to the impending Singularity?