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06 Jan 2009, 10:20 am

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Everybody knows that autistic have way more fun with life than NT's. It's common knowledge. That's why we don't get beat down by the BS.

I don't believe that.

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06 Jan 2009, 11:55 am

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I dislike how stem cell research opponents and those against the cure of autism act like they speak for all of us. Some of us really do want to be cured, and have a mind of our own to make this decision.

It is okay if you do not want a cure for yourself, but do not impede on mine or anyone else's decision. You will sound like a hypocrite as you have individualist undertones yet feel that everyone deep inside wants to agree with you with a little convincing on your part.

As for everyone else, imagine only being a few inches away from the special prize you have always wanted yet your are trapped behind steel bars and cannot quite reach out to grab it. You try over and over again, sometimes you even get to touch it, but you never get a full palm grasp of it to pull it inside the steel prison you are in. That wonderful prize is the golden key to help you open the steel cage to escape and let you live a normal life that neurotypicals take for granted.

I do not like being so close to normalcy, yet never being able to finally achieve it. Let's face it, normal people have more fun and this disorder has done nothing special for most people. The vast majority of us will not become the next Einstein who died before the idea of AS was widespread, and therefore cannot be properly diagnosed.

Does anyone else want to be cured?

Even if you did want that the ethical consequences of allowing such would be too dangerous (right now). I support a persons liberty to modify their brain, but there are limits.

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06 Jan 2009, 2:32 pm

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See:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0 ... sm&rank=18

I don't think this will work. Too gross.

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06 Jan 2009, 2:47 pm

Is this the same process used in Britian back in the sixties to 'cure' heroin addiction? I think the original doctor was Pringle or something like that.

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06 Jan 2009, 3:03 pm

re: Original Poster

I think that what most of us fear (myself included) was that if a 'cure' were developed, it would be administered when we are children, before we have the conscious choice of whether or not we WANT to be 'cured.' In other words, many of us do not like the idea of being cured against our will. In the case mentioned above, I probably would have been cured when I was five or six years old, which would have been tantamount to stealing my 'soul.' I categorically do not want to be cured, as I have too much to offer the world, due to my AS logical abilities and perspacious-ness. I would, however, like to find ways to communicate my ideas more clearly.

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06 Jan 2009, 3:43 pm

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I think that what most of us fear (myself included) was that if a 'cure' were developed, it would be administered when we are children, before we have the conscious choice of whether or not we WANT to be 'cured.'

Meh. All it would do is spare them from the issues of AS. I doubt that any of them would seriously wonder how life would be like if they were autistic, let alone WISH they were.
These kids would be too busy having fun instead, unless they're in another situation far beyond their control. Most would move along with there normal lives not even having a thought of what could have been. One might as well wonder how it is like to have Bipolar and wish they were so they could have more creativity. After all, that's part of the reason some don't take their meds.

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06 Jan 2009, 3:48 pm

Ah yes, the perfect 1984 world where everybody is the same.

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06 Jan 2009, 3:48 pm

Ah yes, the perfect 1984 world where everybody is the same.

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06 Jan 2009, 4:10 pm

I didn't mean average or boring, I meant normal. Normal means that there is nothing physically or mentally wrong with you. If AS was not a problem no one would get benefits for it or still have to live with their parents while NTs are living independently, doing whatever they like as long as it's legal and in their own private homes.
There are much higher percentage of people with AS who are living on some sort of assistance than NTs. If AS was just an oddity or a minority group, why can't we all just cast out to an island somewhere and create a nation ---- oh wait... Someone tried with that Aspergia nonsense and failed miserably because guess what? They didn't have the social ability or means to do so. AS shot them in the foot. Hell, we don't even have a community outside the Internet. Silicon Valley doesn't count because not all nerds are aspies although there is a higher percentage of nerds who have AS. Would there even be an anti-cure movement if it wasn't for the Internet? Nope. Not even close.

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06 Jan 2009, 4:14 pm

Nt society is not necessarily a good or even a correct society, it's just the present majority. what if things were switched around and the NT conventions and norms were the minority?

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06 Jan 2009, 4:43 pm

matsuiny2004 wrote:

Even if you did want that the ethical consequences of allowing such would be too dangerous (right now). I support a persons liberty to modify their brain, but there are limits.

There are limits - In your wallet :wink:

. I'd fight - and kill or die if need be - for unlimited brain modification within individuals' financial limits, if such things were possible. {That includes the rights of parents to modify the brains of their pre-adolescent children if they wish to :wink:

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undefineable wrote:

See:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0 ... sm&rank=18

I don't think this will work. Too gross.

The abstract doesn't mention that the electodes are placed on the scalp rather than through the skull.

garyww wrote:

Is this the same process used in Britian back in the sixties to 'cure' heroin addiction?

I wouldn't know. Heroin addiction's gonna take some shifting. It's not as if, having stimulated my empathic brain-centers, I'd need to go on a massive decadent binge of pure logic :roll:

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06 Jan 2009, 4:50 pm

garyww wrote:

Nt society is not necessarily a good or even a correct society, it's just the present majority.

What else is there? Aren't you a part of society unless you chose not to be? Are you sure you don't have any NT ancestors - who would in a sense place you alongside NTs?

I don't mean to make non-sequiturs, but I'm reading a lot of subconscious fixed ideas into some of these posts. Though the idea that nothing has any inherent value is 1 that I agree with.

For the OP: Looking at what other aspies have written and said, careers and families seem to be a matter of switching off your emotions if you're an aspie_

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06 Jan 2009, 4:50 pm

If it's the same process, and I suspect that it is, it did work on drug addicts very well but was eventually banned in Britian and then was moved to the states for a few years and then banned here as well. Tesla also experimental with altering his brain by electrical stimulation but published no papers. Who knows.

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06 Jan 2009, 4:53 pm

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Any idea why it was banned?

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06 Jan 2009, 5:12 pm

I'm not sure but suspect it was because the FCC or the FDA or whoever couldn't get a handle on it. I remember that Allen Ginsberg and one of the 'Stones' used the process back in the sixties and claimed it was a miracle. I also noted that both of them continued to use drugs so who knows.
I think that gluing electrodes to your head is about as smart as sticking a lightening rod up your ass but to each his own.

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06 Jan 2009, 6:23 pm

garyww wrote:

I think that gluing electrodes to your head is about as smart as sticking a lightening rod up your ass but to each his own.

If you've never cared whether you live or die, both are smart - Whaddaya got to lose?

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