Sweetleaf wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
bnky wrote:
melanieeee wrote:
Maybe asperger's is a disorder which is predominate in childhood (like separation anxiety and bed wetting which may also occur in adulthood but to a smaller degree)?
People with adult diagnosis Asperger's still had the disorder to be diagnosed, so clearly it didn't just go away undiagnosed as they got older. I'd go so far as to say that, in my case, it's become more disabling as I've gotten older, as people seem to be more forgiving of social ineptness in the young.
I see Asperger's as an internal difference which (may be) noticed (by others) in the way the Aspie handles social situations. For me that is just a very tiny part of how Asperger's affects my life.
I hope psych students are being taught more than:
If you can't see the disorder just by looking at a person... it isn't there
Most psych students are pretty stupid - you are hoping for a miracle if you expect them to be able to help you. We are perfectly capable of helping ourselves. The Aspergers diagnosis encourages a passive victim mentality. The disorder is there if you want it to be; if you choose to see it as just a normal style of thinking and communicating, it isn't a disorder.
How the hell does it do that? I did not see it say anywhere in the criteria that encouraged such things......and some of us are victims of things, kinda hard to go through life without ever being the victim of anything even if its something as insignificant as a cold. But yeah especially when you differ from what is considered normal......and then have to deal with bullying and being singled out by teachers who are in on it. ........and its not a normal style of thinking and communicating, the whole reason its in the DSM is because it is different....if it was not different than neurotypical thinking it would not be listed as a disorder at all.
I'd never considered myself to be the 'victim' of a cold to be quite honest.
Alright well I guess people also have different views on what exactly that means, so I'll just leave that alone for now. People get bullied at school for all sorts of reasons, many completely unconnected with being autistic eg for being overweight or unattractive - are there special DSM diagnoses for being fat/ugly? Nope thought not - these people just have to get on with it, so as far as I'm concerned so can I!
I know people get bullied at school for all sorts of reasons...I got bullied a lot and no one knew I had autism, to them I was just the weird kid and somehow that made me deserving of it in their eyes, or maybe they just thought it fun. But yes there are various reasons for bullying none of them justify it though.
Life is essentially very cruel and if a person constantly plays the victim card they will get short shrift from the majority - that's a fact
And what do you define playing the victim card, acknowledging one has problems and has had bad experiences or has been harassed by other people.....or would you define it as exageratting in an attempt to manipulate, if you mean the latter than I fully agree...if not what do you suggest people do magically not be effected by things that cause them pain?There are differing styles of thinking and communication - some more common than others - that does not mean that the thinking/communication style common to
some people with
Aspergers is abnormal - it's just a natural human variant
variant usually implies abnormal, otherwise it would not be a variant. I've come across numerous people who say they have Asperger's who seem to
epitomise what people tend to classify as 'NT' thinking and communication styles so we aren't even comparing apples with apples a lot of the time!
I get on best with kind, thoughtful, intelligent people WHATEVER their thinking/communication style
I have no more in common with another person with Aspergers than I do with a person with asthma! It's the
intelligence level that will determine whether we get on, certainly not whether they say they have Aspergers.
Yeah same here I like people who are intresting, intelligent, kind and all that.......I don't care if they have AS, are neurotypical or anything like that I care if I get along with them.
The best 'joke' of all is that the DSM-IV that you seem to put such great faith in, as if it were the Oracle of Delphi, has decreed that Asperger's Syndrome isn't even going to
exist as a diagnosis anymore in May 2013 when DSM-V comes out, so so much for their staggering insight! So much for how necessary
they think Asperger's is!
I see the DSM for what it is its a book with all the mental disorders and symptoms listed, used as a reference guide by mental health professionals, that is all. Why would I give the DSM bible like status? that would be pretty stupid actually. Also aspergers is a form of autism, so I think its great they are getting rid of the term aspergers and instead having an autism spectrum that people diagnosed with aspergers will fall under.
They think so much of your precious diagnosis they're jettisoning it right out of the manual!
What precious diagnosis exactly? Also they are just merging autism and aspergers........and finally I've read the proposed DSM 5 criteria and under it I would be considered to have autism.....but yeah not everyone on the spectrum has been officially diagnosed.
I see the DSM for what it is its a book with all the mental disorders and symptoms listed, used as a reference guide by mental health professionals, that is all. Why would I give the DSM bible like status? that would be pretty stupid actually. Also aspergers is a form of autism, so I think its great they are getting rid of the term aspergers and instead having an autism spectrum that people diagnosed with aspergers will fall under.
22 Apr 2012, 6:46 pm
