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07 Oct 2008, 9:33 am

I would say "yes" to eternal consciousness... I wouldn't mind having the experience. Not that I would become some menacing force knowing I could never die, I would not let it convolute my ethics, I would just like to see everything there is to see, experience it all and there just isn't enough time to do that. We witness but a tiny splinter in the paw of eternity.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:34 am

Immortality through technology risks turning your existence into a living Hell.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:39 am

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Your cousins are relative too.


Goes without saying. But are we living the Dark Ages relative to the Italian Renaissance or to the impending Singularity?


Since we aren't zooming around in space ships and still talking about genetically altered transplant organs- yes.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:41 am

slowmutant wrote:
Immortality through technology risks turning your existence into a living Hell.


If you believe your existence is a living hell: it is.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:41 am

The persistent certainty of death makes existence hell already.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:42 am

Interesting. But how was the Italian Renaissance thought of in its time?



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07 Oct 2008, 9:43 am

Anti progressionists feared the renaissance and saw it as a threat.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:44 am

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The persistent certainty of death makes existence hell already.


Only if you fear death.

In some cases, it is the persistent certainty of life that makes existence hell. Life is hard but dying is easy.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:47 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I would say "yes" to eternal consciousness... I wouldn't mind having the experience. Not that I would become some menacing force knowing I could never die, I would not let it convolute my ethics, I would just like to see everything there is to see, experience it all and there just isn't enough time to do that. We witness but a tiny splinter in the paw of eternity.


but if you had eternal consciousness, then you would see the universe end.
and then, even worse, you would see an infinitely longer time where there is nothing to see.
blackness, and total aloneness forever and ever, and, with nothing to be able to think about is too much of a price for me to pay to see the rest of what is going to happen in the universe.

can you not imagine how hellish it would be after the "universe show" is over and you are condemned to eternity in your own head with no external stimulus at all?

your period of "consciousness of nothing external" would span infinitely more time than your consciousness of the rest of this universe.

not a good trade for me.
in fact it is horrifying for me to imagine the minute after the universe is all over. and now it is "nothing forever and i will stay awake for all time".

i am glad i will be spared of that by being mortal and dying.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:48 am

But is life really hard because it's life or is it hard because we fear the inescapable like sickness and death. My life would be better quality without these nagging worries. I would be happy without the fear of sickness and death seeing the entire universe. Of course, there are antimatter implosions to consider...



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07 Oct 2008, 9:49 am

But who's to say you would inherently outlive the universe if the universe is All That Is?

Outliving the Infinite Universe?



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07 Oct 2008, 9:52 am

Well everyone can think I'm rediculous here but I know why I've had all these obsticles, is because I asked for them. I swear I have this memory of descending to Earth and choosing to live with "challenge".. I got what I asked for huh>>



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07 Oct 2008, 9:57 am

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Well everyone can think I'm rediculous here but I know why I've had all these obsticles, is because I asked for them. I swear I have this memory of descending to Earth and choosing to live with "challenge".. I got what I asked for huh>>


That's a popular belief. And a very interesting one.

I know that I had many very painful experiences and that without those, I would not be who I am and capable of the things I can now do.

If you believe in the continuation of the spirit after death, then of course, any great trial you have in this life will have some great effects on the next or future lives. Sometimes the greatest of spirits is forged in the hottest of flames.


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07 Oct 2008, 9:58 am

Whether I asked for them or not, I don't resent my AS-related challenges. It never occurs to me to whinge about them to the Almighty. I don't really think of myself as an Aspie or a person with mental health issues. It's helpful to know exactly what my challenges in this life are.



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07 Oct 2008, 10:03 am

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I don't really think of myself as an Aspie.
Lol then what are ya doin here?
Just kidding, I know there are some NTs here.



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07 Oct 2008, 10:03 am

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but if you had eternal consciousness, then you would see the universe end.
and then, even worse, you would see an infinitely longer time where there is nothing to see.
blackness, and total aloneness forever and ever, and, with nothing to be able to think about is too much of a price for me to pay to see the rest of what is going to happen in the universe.

Maybe I would fall into a wormhole and become part of dimension number 11, I don't know. I don't know if I would be in total darkness and aloneness forever and ever. I would be willing to take that chance though just to discover what's out there. Wouldn't you like to discover the entire universe and what's in it. We still don't know if complex life forms exist on other planets. It would be great to live a Star Warsian existence!
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can you not imagine how hellish it would be after the "universe show" is over and you are condemned to eternity in your own head with no external stimulus at all?

At one point, I would probably end, unless I could figure out a way to exist in another dimension with all this nano technology, maybe transform myself into conscious gravitons? I could inject my neurons into gravitons, plus pieces of my DNA and have transferred to another dimension and escape the fate of the universe this way. By the time the universe in the other dimension ceases existing, I could do the same thing and transpose into another universe someplace else, keep universe hopping much like club hopping or party hopping.
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your period of "consciousness of nothing external" would span infinitely more time than your consciousness of the rest of this universe.

Could require intense adaptation but I have done this before...intense adaptation, that is.