Would everyone please start smiling in their pictures?

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Now you are abusing the *us* word, I only said that to Sinsboldly in private, not to you...there is no "us" for you to refer to...so who are you to be "us" vis a vis Sinsboldly?

Why would you encourage others stay away? I know I'm not the only one nor is Mechanima who feels this way either. Are you going to stand up for a mod's right to abuse their power and tell everyone who is getting tired of it to go away?

Nothing gives you the right to attack others.

Well, your second post makes less sense that the first. Which website have you been reading? Certainly not this one. Certainly not this thread.

WP has rules. We enforce them. That includes ticking off anyone who breaks them. The OP here gives himself as being diagnosed with AS. The fact that his original post wasn't terribly complimentary doesn't make it against the rules.

If you have come here to "bash autistics", I don't think you'll be staying long.

I honestly didn't even realise *anyone* else felt the same way yet...I haven't been discussing this (or anything) with ANYONE...the only person I mentioned it to was Sinsboldy (and Alex as a courtesy).

But that does really sum up the difference...this time last year saying what you really thought, politely, and with consideration, WAS the only "appropriate behaviour" on WP. Now if you have a problem with a mod you should just stuff it and go away to nowhere...

That is NOT a good change for Aspies at all, and is a terrible shame indeed...

M

It's obvious the OP doesn't have autism or he wouldn't be telling others to act more neurotypical and demanding everyone smile more. Anyone can put in thier profile diagnosed.

I'm not here to bash autistics. Seems like you are trying to play games so that you can continue to stand up for your fellow mod. If this place was about support for autistics then why are people allowed who bash and do it non-stop yet if someone with autism stands up for themselves Sinsboldly comes in to give a warning of possibility of ban.

Like I already said, if this continues, people aren't going to want to stick around who need support. Only those who come here to bully and get away with it.

Agreed. The only place online that is or was amazing is being turned into just another place to feel like you aren't allowed to be honest and suck up to authority figures just because their egos are inflated and you must do it because they tell you to.

Personally I feel like breaking down and crying...

This used to be the one place left where there WERE no ongoing power games...a safe refuge from all the control related politick and group dynamics that make the rest of the world into a "no fly zone" in every real way for most Aspies...

Now that has gone...

...and yeah...I "stuffed it" the way Lau wants me to until I saw someone else getting hurt by it...but it is DEVASTATING to me to have the last place I felt free to interact as just myself taken away by one woman with a bad habit on control.

I am not condemning her, that may be the only way she can cope, or the only way she knows...but I will not be ordered to enable her by silence.

M

No. You did not. You replied to a mildly phrased warning from a moderator with:
"Get real...it was Christmas day, when people who have nothing better to do than post on internet"

You followed that with the threat: "I will, however, take it straight to Alex". Which is where it all went anyway.

You turned it into some sort of major argument (or your side), ending up with: "I won't be posting anything, anywhere, as long as you are a Mod." An assertion that lasted for nine days.

That was not posted to you, it was a selective (and inaccurate, as what I said was "Get real...it was Christmas day, when people who have nothing better to do than post on internet BBs need a little fun") part of a private dialogue with Sinsboldy that you have no right to post in public without both our permission (and which isn't remotely relevant to the points that I, or Green Dinosaur have made today), and you certainly did not not ask for my permission - so, again, who are you to be "us" vis a vis Sinsboldly?

Oh and it didn't end with:

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I won't be posting anything, anywhere, as long as you are a Mod.
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There was a line after that, which you certainly have my full permission to post if you wish...

I think you are both just playing the kind of vicious control games that this board used to be a last refuge from and that is a terrible shame.

M

PS. I hope moderators posting selected, distorted, excerpts of private messages that were not even sent to them, without permission, is not a regular new feature of WP?

I think you are being rather naive about what a PM is.

I would happily post the whole exchange, from our logs, but that would hardly improve your case, I don't think.

In any case, when a PM is sent from a moderator, acting in that capacity, warning you about a post which is borderline violating the WP rules, that post does not come purely from that individual - it comes from the moderation team (which is a strange word for us, I'd guess).

Just so you have it clear - when you address the mods, as mods, you address the whole group. Directing abuse (the "line after that" you referred to, which I choose not to publish) at any particular mod, when they are trying to perform their mod function, is not appreciated by the team.

You responded to sinsboldly's initial cautionary PM, with a thoroughly out-of-proportion diatribe. I'll reiterate verbatim what she then said to you, as my message to you:

Ah mechanima.
sheesh, why not make my job harder than it already is?

Lau,

Stop wriggling, it is undignified at your age...

I did not "address the mods as mods", I responded to a private message *from* sinsboldly, with a private message *to* sinsboldly, which you distorted into me making a statement to some unspecified *us*, and then had the audacity to post selective, distorted excerpts from without my permission (Why don't you look at the OTHER messages from sinsboldly in my "saved" folder while you are in there? Then you can post those without permission too).

All of which is totally irrelevant to the fact that I share the concerns expressed by "Green Dinosaur" about "sinsboldly" as a moderator, which opinion, incidentally, considerably predates the exchange you had no right to misquote at all in the first place.

So far you have absolutely failed to make any reasonable case to support your contention that, if I share "Green Dinosaur's" concerns I am under some kind of obligation to just go away and enable "sinsboldly" with silence against my own conscience.

Whatever game the pair of you are playing you are seriously underestimating Alex if you imagine he will not notice it for himself in due time.

M

PS Just so everybody knows the heinous crime over which "sinsboldly" was sending me pms, here it is, top post:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf85248-0-376.html

Last edited by mechanima on 03 Feb 2009, 2:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It's not hard to put on a smile for the camera.

It's only for a few seconds.

I don't have a problem with none smilers but saying its the AS or they can't do it, I don't buy it.
Lot of people here had valid reasons why they don't do it because it makes them feel fake, uncomfortable, un natural, they look like X, but turns out they look fine with their smiles and it's just their low self esteem. They think they don't look good when they smile.

I seriously just look bl**dy awful on photographs...it's to do with the shape of my mouth, not AS or self esteem...I'm not the only one in the family like that either...

Just one of those things...

But I get away with murder by brief flashes of dental art when there are no cameras in sight...

M

Oh, I don't know. I quite like a spot of wriggling. I'm flexible.


I can't look at your "saved" folder. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to.

Again, I'll say that you have a naive view of what a PM is. I'm sure you are perfectly capable of telling the difference between a PM sent to you by someone acting merely as a normal member, and one sent to you by them acting as a moderator, because you are pushing the rules.


You may have your opinion of any other members, and I will attach some weight to that, as long as you try to keep it civil. I attach no weight at all to GreenDinosaur, as he has had no time to form an valid opinion.


I did not say that. You said that. Your own words were that you intended to leave. You reiterated that sentiment in this thread. If you have changed your mind, as seems to be the case, then you are entitled to stay.


There's only one of me... I'm not a pair. I'm not sure why Alex would be concerned, but in any case, all of this has always been open to him.

Yes, and that is how I know it was a private message *from* sinsboldly to me...and you only know what it says because she sent it to you...at a guess, some time today...

What is more, it doesn't matter *how* you got it, you had absolutely no right to post it, even fully and accurately, without my permission, let alone to misquote it selectively out of context to try and distract attention from the real issue.



Considering the negativity of my opinion I have endeavoured to keep it as civil as possible and to restrict myself to commenting on sinsboldly as a moderator, not as a person.

"Green Dinosaur" is pretty obviously a regular poster who has created a new ID to express his opinion for fear of repercussions...

On one hand, yes he should stand up and be counted under his usual ID, but on the other, if he feels that doing so will result in such consequences as his pm logs being read and used against him can you really blame him for not wanting that?

In a sense, the very fact that he is too afraid of repercussions to express himself under his usual ID is a kind of circumstantial evidence.

(After today I will never feel comfortable using the pm feature again, in case my messages "taken down and used against me" at some later date!)



No, as a matter of fact, you specifically said:
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If you find you are unable to tolerate other members, you could just do what you say, and stay away?
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(Which was misleading, as we are not talking about "other members" we are talking about one specific person being a moderator, at no time have I even suggested that I have the slightest intolerance of sinsboldy as a member)



Then perhaps you should refrain from using the *us* word (unless, of course, you want to specify that you wish to use the royal *we*) and speaking on behalf of sinsboldy? Just to make it easier for people to see that?



Alex (perhaps with a little help from several deities?) has somehow managed to keep this board free of politick and power games for years...I doubt if he will want to let that go now if he can help it.

The message I got from sinsboldly on 26 December was the first I knew of her being a moderator (and that fact alone is what I had a serious problem with). I do not have one single doubt that her appointment as such is not a good thing for WP. Not because she wears horns and a tail, not because I do not like her, CERTAINLY not because I would be a better moderator (which I would, but only if you REALLY want to march on Moscow after first invading Poland) but because she is temperamentally unsuitable.

After today, I would be lying if I said I wasn't wondering about you too (incidentally, this is the first I knew of you existing, let alone being a mod).

WP never used to be about moderators using their position to dictate anything, let alone "appropriate behaviours" (apparently a persistent theme with sinsboldly), which all of us feel insecure, and vulnerable about and none of us are clear enough about to start dictating really anyway, nor trying to browbeat, or trick members into pretending attitudes they do not feel.

There is so much personal stuff I really need to be able to share on WP , but the truth is that I do not feel comfortable enough to do that any more.

Maybe one day I will again...I hope so.

M

What a lot of tedious quibbling.

Break the rules and you will have problems.

Attack moderators when they point out that you are breaking the rules and you will have greater problems.

Indulge in long, drawn-out rants about how terrible it all is, that you were mildly admonished for making a slightly inappropriate post on Christmas day, and you are just being unreasonable.

You have escalated this to a ridiculous extent. You were told off, for a thoughtless post, and reacted with anger. Six weeks later, you dredged it all back up.

Now your anger is directed at me.

Am I bovvered?