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12 Jan 2009, 3:32 pm

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A pre-natal test would not bother me.

Because...?



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12 Jan 2009, 3:33 pm

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How about we agree on this: "allowing pre-natal testing for Autism is a bad thing" Really that should be our minimum - no need to add extra weaselwords.


BRAVO ! !! !! !! !! !! ...standing ovation


can you find a place in obama's cabinet...perhaps department head of a newly created Autism Homeland Security?? oh that's right you're British. [although i can't remember for sure]

i'll do whatever i can to support autism rights and protections. action needs to commence and it needs to commence now!

we need to get to the point were we say....no way....over my dead body...
[and we need to get to that point very quickly]

Unfortunately I have my doubts about using the political process to get our way, it seems an awful like supporting the General Strike before the Revolution. Although we should try it first of course.



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12 Jan 2009, 3:34 pm

Will someone please clarify how you know AS is making you ''who you are''? I mean, obviously you haven't experienced life without it, so how can you be so sure of what it does to you?



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12 Jan 2009, 3:35 pm

Kangoogle wrote:
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A pre-natal test would not bother me.

Because...?


Because what?

It simply doesn't. I do not fear one being developed. I do not see it as monstrous genocide.

I simply would not mind.



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12 Jan 2009, 3:38 pm

DeanFoley wrote:
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A pre-natal test would not bother me.

Because...?


Because what?

It simply doesn't. I do not fear one being developed. I do not see it as monstrous genocide.

I simply would not mind.

Even if you don't see it as genocide it still has quite an impact on your life - for one there is no incentive whatsoever to adapt society to those of use left behind. Plus it devalues our own lives.



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12 Jan 2009, 3:41 pm

I don't believe that.



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12 Jan 2009, 3:44 pm

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I don't believe that.

Go and join the morons then.



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12 Jan 2009, 3:54 pm

Nice to see you're mature enough to avoid insults.



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12 Jan 2009, 3:57 pm

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Nice to see you're mature enough to avoid insults.

Nice to see that you are offended by facts. Please do continue to act like a religious moron.



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12 Jan 2009, 3:58 pm

Yes sireee, we be morons and idiots of all kinds here bycracky.
Open the floodgates and damned the torpedos.


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12 Jan 2009, 4:47 pm

Kangoogle, please refrain from personal attacks.


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12 Jan 2009, 4:57 pm

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Will someone please clarify how you know AS is making you ''who you are''? I mean, obviously you haven't experienced life without it, so how can you be so sure of what it does to you?


any small change can have the effect of completely changing you. If I didn't have AS I would be a different person its just a fact. I don't believe AS as a disability but in the end if I didn't have it I could be drastically different or I could be a little different either way I don't like the idea especially since I'm one of the few people here who is proud of who I am.



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12 Jan 2009, 5:01 pm

If I didn't have AS I would still be the same person but with somebody else's mind which would seem uncomfortable.


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12 Jan 2009, 5:08 pm

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What is interesting is how many go to school but claim they can't work since the two environments are similar and that aspects isn't just an autistic phenomena.


Words right outta my mouth!



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12 Jan 2009, 5:31 pm

Kangoogle wrote:
DeanFoley wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
DeanFoley wrote:
A pre-natal test would not bother me.

Because...?


Because what?

It simply doesn't. I do not fear one being developed. I do not see it as monstrous genocide.

I simply would not mind.

Even if you don't see it as genocide it still has quite an impact on your life - for one there is no incentive whatsoever to adapt society to those of use left behind. Plus it devalues our own lives.


I've had two children and I refused to take an amnio because it carries some risk to the baby.

That said, as an isolated concept, I don't disagree with prenatal testing.

But the thing I know, from being with other parents and couples, is that people don't really think about WHY they are taking the test, and they don't really think about what they might do with the information. In the current climate of fear about autism (yes, young parents DO FEAR it), I think that couples will be too fast to pull the trigger so to speak, and simply terminate. Most people have no idea of what they are capable of dealing with until they are forced to it. A parent who could have been happy raising an AS child, thus, will fear they can't do it, and forced to make a decision now rather than later, may find termination to be the easiest choice.

Much of which could be prevented if people really gave thought to what they intended to do when the test results come back, but most often, it seems, they do not.

So, yes, as a practical matter, I DO fear what a pre-natal test will mean. While it shouldn't mean eugenics, it probably will.


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12 Jan 2009, 5:37 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
DeanFoley wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
DeanFoley wrote:
A pre-natal test would not bother me.

Because...?


Because what?

It simply doesn't. I do not fear one being developed. I do not see it as monstrous genocide.

I simply would not mind.

Even if you don't see it as genocide it still has quite an impact on your life - for one there is no incentive whatsoever to adapt society to those of use left behind. Plus it devalues our own lives.


I've had two children and I refused to take an amnio because it carries some risk to the baby.

That said, as an isolated concept, I don't disagree with prenatal testing.

But the thing I know, from being with other parents and couples, is that people don't really think about WHY they are taking the test, and they don't really think about what they might do with the information. In the current climate of fear about autism (yes, young parents DO FEAR it), I think that couples will be too fast to pull the trigger so to speak, and simply terminate. Most people have no idea of what they are capable of dealing with until they are forced to it. A parent who could have been happy raising an AS child, thus, will fear they can't do it, and forced to make a decision now rather than later, may find termination to be the easiest choice.

Much of which could be prevented if people really gave thought to what they intended to do when the test results come back, but most often, it seems, they do not.

So, yes, as a practical matter, I DO fear what a pre-natal test will mean. While it shouldn't mean eugenics, it probably will.


This is exactly what I meant in an earlier post, I just lacked the words to describe it the way I wanted to.