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04 Sep 2009, 12:28 pm

Greentea wrote:
13/20. Not so good. I wish they gave you this kind of tests at diagnosis and not the stupid ones they give.


The diagnostic criteria doesn't say you need an impairment in the non-verbal language. For the social aspects category, you only need two of the four.

I think you're the one who mentioned something about taking a reading in the eyes test earlier. For that test, the average for HFA/AS vs. normal group is big enough and the standard deviation big enough that it can't be due to chance, and does point out a correlation for the two. However, it's not big enough to reliably tell very well which individuals are in which group. On the distribution of that eyes test, a lot of AS/HFA were in the range of normal people, and some normal people were in the range of AS/HFA mean. If you go to http://autismresearchcentre.com/tests/e ... _adult.asp and click on (S. Baron-Cohen, S. Wheelwright and J. Hill, (2001)
The 'Reading the mind in the eyes' test revised version: A study with normal adults, and adults with Asperger Syndrome or High-Functioning autism
Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 42:241-252), go to page 245, it has the distribution. The mean for the AS/HFA group on that reading the eyes test is 21.9 and the standard deviation 6.6 (or a type of averaging for individuals deviating from that mean). When you look at the deviating, standard deviation, for the normal people, it's a lot less than that of the AS/HFA. If that test is all they rejected you on, I'd make a copy of that report and show it to one of the higher ups there and tell them you think there should be more extensive testing.

Although I didn't go in for a diagnosis, I heard that it's best to go into a developmental specialist who specializes in autism. Did you go to one of those, or just a doctor who doesn't specialize in it?



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04 Sep 2009, 1:08 pm

The reason I wish they'd give this test and not the mind in the eyes one is that I have a problem detecting deception, not identifying body language.


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05 Sep 2009, 4:05 am

13-20

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Some of those people had oddly shaped heads.

:lmao: true


I noticed that too 8O



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05 Sep 2009, 5:36 am

Greentea wrote:
The reason I wish they'd give this test and not the mind in the eyes one is that I have a problem detecting deception, not identifying body language.


The only real way to detect deception is through body language, . Read a book called 'The Truth About Lying' by Stan B Walters and another called 'What Everybody Is Saying' by Joe Navarro. Tests don't really teach you anything about other people.



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05 Sep 2009, 6:16 pm

Klint wrote:
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mitharatowen wrote:
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Some of those people had oddly shaped heads.

:lmao: true


I noticed that too 8O


Haha, glad it wasn't just me. For a second I thought it was an artifact of some complicated CGI to make the smiles look real or fake, but then I realized that was ridiculous and that it was just because the people were British. (just kidding British ppl :lol: )


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05 Sep 2009, 7:57 pm

12/20. And I thought it seemed fairly easy while I was doing it. It says most people have trouble with it though, so I'm surprised at some of the high scores. Maybe some Aspies are better at detecting fake smiles because they have spent so much time objectively analyzing facial expressions in an attempt to cope, or maybe they notice details and most NTs judge holistically (since it sounds like there are some differences in the details between the two types of smiles).


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06 Sep 2009, 1:22 am

I got 16 out of 20. I got pro at detecting fakers. I'm not sure how I was able to learn that. I still have trouble figuring out what's not acceptable though.



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06 Sep 2009, 5:20 am

Spot The Fake Smile

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You got 13 out of 20 correct


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06 Sep 2009, 8:55 am

The difference between the two from the Non-Verbal Dictionary

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Smile
Facial expression. 1. A true smile of happiness, gladness, or joy. 2. An expression in which the corners of the mouth curve upward, and the outer corners of the eyes crinkle into crow's-feet.

Usage: Though we may show a polite grin or camera smile at will, the zygomatic or heartfelt smile is hard to produce on demand. While the former cue may be consciously manipulated (and is subject to deception), the latter is controlled by emotion. Thus, the zygomatic smile is a more accurate reflection of mood.

- Anatomy. Lip corners curl upward through contraction of zygomaticus muscles; crow's-feet show when the zygomaticus muscles are strongly contracted, and/or when orbicularis oculi muscles contract. In the polite (i.e., intentional, weak, or "false") smile, lip corners stretch sideward through contraction of risorius muscles, with little upward curl and no visible crow's-feet.



Note that the false smile is also called a 'polite' smile. These smiles aren't often a bad thing they're used for many positive reasons but knowing the difference can stop you getting the wrong impression in certain situaions.



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07 Sep 2009, 12:37 am

OK I have an issue with this post. When trying to watch it it said I needed to download Macromedia Flash 10; the link then went to Adobe, and after endless problems having to shut down computer and/or exit firefox, the result was the file would not play and will not even after downloading, installing and running 3 separate times and putting them all in the trash and doing it a 4th time.

I then tried to download Macromedia flash 10 and it tried to bill me $17.00 U.S.

HOW IS THIS NOT SPAM???



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07 Sep 2009, 2:10 am

polymathpoolplayer wrote:
OK I have an issue with this post. When trying to watch it it said I needed to download Macromedia Flash 10; the link then went to Adobe, and after endless problems having to shut down computer and/or exit firefox, the result was the file would not play and will not even after downloading, installing and running 3 separate times and putting them all in the trash and doing it a 4th time.

I then tried to download Macromedia flash 10 and it tried to bill me $17.00 U.S.

HOW IS THIS NOT SPAM???


Sorry for the confusion. Although personally I like Firefox and Flock more, I found that on my computer it wouldn't allow it, so I had to use Internet Explorer.