Incidental Beauty
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Yes, they are beautiful. I only visited the pacific Northwest about 12 years ago but I have always felt drawn to the location. Have you ever felt homesick for a place you've never been?
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Yes, they are beautiful. I only visited the pacific Northwest about 12 years ago but I have always felt drawn to the location. Have you ever felt homesick for a place you've never been?
I've had haunting dreams of imaginary places that seemed intensely familiar only to wake up with a strong pang of disappointment/sadness.
I've only lived in the Pacific Northwest for three years but the old growth forests there are special to me. I especially love the spongy feel of the soil and the soft/hollow thud my footsteps make on the trail. Only old coniferous forests have that type of feel to the soil.
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Yes, they are beautiful. I only visited the pacific Northwest about 12 years ago but I have always felt drawn to the location. Have you ever felt homesick for a place you've never been?
I've had haunting dreams of imaginary places that seemed intensely familiar only to wake up with a strong pang of disappointment/sadness.
I've only lived in the Pacific Northwest for three years but the old growth forests there are special to me. I especially love the spongy feel of the soil and the soft/hollow thud my footsteps make on the trail. Only old coniferous forests have that type of feel to the soil.
I know what you mean about old growth forests and the only time I've ever been in one was when I was visiting the Pacific NW. Possibly it reminds me of illustrations in old fairy tales books my mother used to read to me and so I associate it with comfort.
I completely relate to this. People think it's weird what little things I find beutiful.
it could be just anything and we could never understand why staring at some nice pattern in a heap of dirt for more than a few seconds invokes such a strong and negative reactions from the typical social environment
like
u can be noisy and violent and behave like an ass and nobody cares but god forbid u get into trance by some incredible beauty u find in the simplest of things
for some reason staring at some stain on the pavement is considered it's too disruptive to the average NT
finding and staring at beauty found in the most ordinary thing is typically autistic
i have a theory as to why we are like that but never mind that
anyway it's very consistent with our other autistic traits
Yes, anything can be beautiful, even things usually thought ugly if you put aside any preconceived value judgments and just look at what you see. I would like to hear your theory. I've always thought the artist and the scientist are motivated by the same sense of wonder, they just express it in different ways.
It's not exactly a theory but more of an observation and it goes like this
the AS visual perceptual organization is "flat"
meaning
we don't process the visual hierarchically the way NT do and consequently integrate much better the little detail to the big picture
we don't care if something is small or big or whether it placed in the center or the rims
we go for the pattern
since our vision is "flat" we miss social cues as many of the social cues are hierarchy based and our treating everyone equal is perceived as a sign of pathological naivete
AS doesn't deal well with hierarchy for the same reason and i think it's a sign of enlightened mind but most researchers and NT see it as disability of some kind
or a as a lack of development in the area that differentiate the 'local' from the 'global'
i think we differentiate but integrate better because our "flat" vision expose much better and faster the links and pattern that hold the seemingly different things together
since in many cases(at least in my case) the sense of space is closely linked to the sense of time many AS doesn't go for big or small moments which makes us look frozen and unsympathetic to the easily exited NT and if u experience time as "flat" as we do u bound to have a very different sense of outside and inside which leads to the "what u see is what u get" or the seemingly directness of the AS that drive so many NT crazy and also to the tendency toward sensory overloads and melt down because the "flatness" of time means u have no skin and every moment is eternally deep
i could go on and on but that the gist of it
some of my GF pics
taya pic
my GF delete every thing she uploads almost immediately,the reason for this may relate to some of the things i wrote above
nara44 wrote:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Incidental Beauty
Aimless wrote:
nara44 wrote:
My GF is genius at capturing this little nothings using her cellphone camera (guess that how she spotted me Smile )
it could be just anything and we could never understand why staring at some nice pattern in a heap of dirt for more than a few seconds invokes such a strong and negative reactions from the typical social environment
like
u can be noisy and violent and behave like an ass and nobody cares but god forbid u get into trance by some incredible beauty u find in the simplest of things
for some reason staring at some stain on the pavement is considered it's too disruptive to the average NT
finding and staring at beauty found in the most ordinary thing is typically autistic
i have a theory as to why we are like that but never mind that
anyway it's very consistent with our other autistic traits
Yes, anything can be beautiful, even things usually thought ugly if you put aside any preconceived value judgments and just look at what you see. I would like to hear your theory. I've always thought the artist and the scientist are motivated by the same sense of wonder, they just express it in different ways.
It's not exactly a theory but more of an observation and it goes like this
the AS visual perceptual organization is "flat"
meaning
we don't process the visual hierarchically the way NT do and consequently integrate much better the little detail to the big picture
we don't care if something is small or big or whether it placed in the center or the rims
we go for the pattern
since our vision is "flat" we miss social cues as many of the social cues are hierarchy based and our treating everyone equal is perceived as a sign of pathological naivete
AS doesn't deal well with hierarchy for the same reason and i think it's a sign of enlightened mind but most researchers and NT see it as disability of some kind
or a as a lack of development in the area that differentiate the 'local' from the 'global'
i think we differentiate but integrate better because our "flat" vision expose much better and faster the links and pattern that hold the seemingly different things together
since in many cases(at least in my case) the sense of space is closely linked to the sense of time many AS doesn't go for big or small moments which makes us look frozen and unsympathetic to the easily exited NT and if u experience time as "flat" as we do u bound to have a very different sense of outside and inside which leads to the "what u see is what u get" or the seemingly directness of the AS that drive so many NT crazy and also to the tendency toward sensory overloads and melt down because the "flatness" of time means u have no skin and every moment is eternally deep
That description makes a lot of sense to me. I can see that I process the visual that way, I just never questioned it or realized other people saw things differently. I can't understand why that would be considered a disability. Your GF's pictures are beautiful.
I used to be....but i'm so anhedonic these days I can't see beauty or take pleasure in anything.
I used to be....but i'm so anhedonic these days I can't see beauty or take pleasure in anything.
I'm very familiar with the feeling. It's like seeing through dirty glasses. When I got on antidepressants it was like someone had wiped them clean again. But these moments are not constant. That's what makes them so memorable. The reason I love bluebirds is because as they fly by they look like dull, nondescript grayish birds until the light hits them in just the right way and you see this brilliant flash of cerulean blue and then it's gone again. Maybe that's why they call them the bluebirds of happiness.
Thank you for this post, Aimless.
I live in the hills and woods and find nature exquisitely beautiful. I am surrounded by this beauty and it brings me great joy. I have some huge picture windows, and also walk and run in the woods (in addition to other outdoor activities). At times it seems that I have died and gone to heaven.
I live in the hills and woods and find nature exquisitely beautiful. I am surrounded by this beauty and it brings me great joy. I have some huge picture windows, and also walk and run in the woods (in addition to other outdoor activities). At times it seems that I have died and gone to heaven.
It's one of the blessings that come with how we process things. I think it's an autistic trait but is by no means limited to autistics. So many people simply don't pay attention. The same could go for music too, or hearing the music in ordinary sounds.
I see beauty in everything, and I always want to share what I see with others. They don't always get it, but sometimes they do, they just wouldn't've noticed otherwise.
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Aimless,
I was grateful for your post mostly because I sometimes wondered if any other autists experienced all this beauty around them. Actually, I am very moved by the beauty I find in many, often unusual, places (including the laws of physics
). As far as sound goes, the most beautiful for me is silence. Here, when there is little wind and every appliance and electrical apparatus is off, the silence is sublime.
I used to be....but i'm so anhedonic these days I can't see beauty or take pleasure in anything.
I'm very familiar with the feeling. It's like seeing through dirty glasses. When I got on antidepressants it was like someone had wiped them clean again. But these moments are not constant. That's what makes them so memorable. The reason I love bluebirds is because as they fly by they look like dull, nondescript grayish birds until the light hits them in just the right way and you see this brilliant flash of cerulean blue and then it's gone again. Maybe that's why they call them the bluebirds of happiness.
"In the willow-meads of Tasarinan I walked in the Spring. Ah! the sight and the smell of the spring in Nan-tasarion! And I said that was good. I wandered in Summer in the elm-woods of Ossiriand. Ah! the light and the music in the Summer by the Seven Rivers of Ossir! And I thought that was best. To the beeches of Neldoreth I came in the Autumn. Ah! the gold and the red and signing of leaves in the Autumn in Taur-na-neldor! It was more than my desire. To the pine-trees upon the highland of Dorthonion I climbed in the Winter. Ah! the wind and the whiteness and black branches of Winter upon Orod-na-Thon! My voice went up and sang in the sky. And now all those lands lie under the wave, And I walk Ambarona, in Tauremorna, in Aldalome. In my own land, in the country of Fangorn, Where all roots are long, And the years lie thicker than the leaves In Tauremornalome."
How I long to experience the ineffable beauty and magic of the world again Aimless!! ! It has been so many long years of Stygian darkness now and I don't think the light will ever shine on me again.
I know i'm being melodramtic and sentimental here....but I really don't care right about now.
I should've never opened this thread....it has opened Pandora's box and the sorrow I feel now is inexpressible.
Still....it makes me think there might be such a thing as a soul after all....and that I might actually have one.
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I'm always seeing the beauty in things that others pass by, particularly on my commute to work, when I have time to just sit and think.
I love being able to get to the train by bicycle. It just thrills me to death.
I love being able to walk across town and think about all of the people I'm commuting with, how each of them have an entire life story wrapped up inside of them, and how I will strangely never get to know 99.999% of them.
I love being able to look out of the train window and see the world go by, see people standing on the platforms, see sleepy homes whisk by as we chug down the tracks. I imagine what those people are like.
Just the other day, I was ascending the hill to get to the train platform, and I noticed how the freeze / thaw line followed the sun / shadow line almost exactly. It made for a really neat parallelism, and it was cool to see the sun creep across the railroad ties and continue to thaw out the rest of them.
Most people don't sit around thinking about these things, I don't think.
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