Unusual ability to pronounce foreign languages?

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27 Dec 2009, 12:57 pm

I wonder if it has something to do with us having a less fluid definition of 'self' and therefore 'other' than nt people. I find myself getting frustrated that americans aren't interested in music in other languages the way that people in non-english speaking places listen to and accept music in english, even though they may not understand the words it is almost always on the foreign charts I look at (though a good percentage are bi-lingual and multilingual).



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27 Dec 2009, 4:45 pm

I must be very spongelike. Once had a houseshare where one of the other inhabitants had a stammer. Within weeks, I'd developed a stammer. A couple of decades later, it still pops up sometimes. *rolls eyes*



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27 Dec 2009, 5:59 pm

Just remembered that after two months of sharing rooms with a Turkish girl, she greeted me in the morning telling me I had begun to sleeptalk in Turkish, saying coherent things. 8)



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27 Dec 2009, 6:30 pm

:D



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30 Dec 2009, 6:12 pm

MrLoony wrote:
Autistics tend to have a love of precision, and that may help our pronounciation. I also think it may be the way we process language. As I recall, studies show that autistics tend to see words by the individual letters rather than the words themselves. As a result, we may not see words as being as foreign as others do.


I think I love precision and "shapes", I mean external appearance, I think it relates to pronunciation. For example when writing an email, I use to check it until I know it's perfect, I use colors, font attributes, everything I can to make it perfect and very clear.


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30 Dec 2009, 8:41 pm

I think it helps that in the beginning of learning a new language the focus is on the words and words only. There is no body language or mixed messages to deal with. Plus when dealing with native speakers of that language we get to say we are still learning and they will cut us some slack and overlook our messed up non-verbal skills.


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30 Dec 2009, 9:01 pm

There is a certain level of adaptability, when it comes to languages, I've found. At least with mimicking accents and reading a foreign language (after being taught the basic rules of intonation) without really knowing what I'm saying.
My grades for French were horrible, because I'm not fond of the language, but my pronunciation was at the level of the bilingual student in my class. My English pronunciation depends entirely on which accent I've heard most recently.



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30 Dec 2009, 9:57 pm

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I've always noticed how hard it seemed for other people to replicate pronunciation of other languages properly, or to spell.

When I get asked how to spell something, there's a shape in my head, and I just start reading letters... odds are they're the right ones.

I once lost a spelling bee because the person asked me to spell "ehl-leh-goh-ree", with a significant Texas drawl, I hadn't yet picked up the word "allegory" at that point (think I was 7?), and they didn't pronounce the word with an "a" sound, so I spelled it as it was shaped in my head, e-l-l-e-g-o-r-y.

'Can you repeat the word?'
"ehl-leh-goh-ree"
'e-l-l-e-g-o-r-y, ellegory' (pronounced with a distinct 'eh' like they used)
"That is incorrect."
8O

I stood there in shock trying to understand what happened while the girl after me got "fossil".


This is funny, because I had something almost like that happen to me. When I was in Grade 4, I won a school-wide spelling bee. Which was probably not a major accomplishment, given the size of my school, but I was very proud of myself (the winning word was "xylophone"). A few years later, in Grade 7 (I think), during a spelling test, we were given the word "voucher". I had never heard this word before, and with my teacher's Canadian accent, it sounded like "vulture". That was a case where I probably could have justifiably disputed the teacher's pronunciation, but then there was this weird case (perhaps the same test) where we were given the word "cities," and for some reason, the word didn't compute in my head, and I ended up writing "sitties". And that was just embarrassing.



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30 Dec 2009, 10:01 pm

... and as for foreign languages, I don't think it's weird that I can read almost a half-dozen languages without being able to understand them. I like sites like Wikipedia and Bible Gateway, because they come in dozens of different languages. Some of these languages I will read aloud (German, Dutch, French, Portuguese, Esperanto), simply because I like the sound of them. I believe that language is like a river, in that each has its own particular "flow" to it.



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30 Dec 2009, 10:34 pm

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Most of my non-native language practices are with American Sign Language, so verbal skills weren't used. However, I did/do have a knack for picking up on the nuances in the signs faster than others around me. My teacher often noted that I had a natural aptitude and that the signs came quite naturally. I was able to pick up and use signs I had not been specifically taught after having seen them used only once. As you said, it is probably due to my skills at mimicry.

As for spoken languages, the learning of vocabulary and rules of pronunciation do come easily to me. It is also fairly easy for me to interpret the basic meaning of written languages with which I am not familiar.


I feel awkward bragging about myself, but since it's relevant to the thread, here goes...

Your post describes my signing skills well. When I picked up American Sign Language, I surprised many of my Deaf friends with my ability to pick up the nuances and not only the manual aspect but the facial expression, mouth movements, and body language as well.

When I was hearing, I was known for my ability to pronounce languages very well. I was often a source of confusion because I wouldn't have an accent but did have the occasional to frequent grammatical errors of non-native speakers.

I should mention, though, that I'm not ASD but I'm not NT either. Languages are probably my strongest area and I'm very passionate about Linguistics.



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26 Mar 2010, 8:53 pm

I'm excellent at pronouncing French. Too bad I don't know enough of the language.

Today, I made an attempt at doing an Arabic accent. I did surprisingly well, even though I was just using nonsense words.



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26 Mar 2010, 9:01 pm

yes foreign languages are an obsession for me. I speak French/Turkish and some Spanish and Mandarin. Right now I am minoring in the Turkish language.

btw: this website is the best foreign language practice tool of all time.

http://www.euronews.net/ because the news and science articles are broadcasted in English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Turkish, Russian and Arabic.



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26 Mar 2010, 10:16 pm

yes. can pick up on accents well. probably linked in with our echopraxia tendencies.



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26 Mar 2010, 10:52 pm

I pick up on accents and will subconsciously pick up the accent of someone I am talking to.

However, I'm terrible at learning a foreign language as I have problem hearing sounds in words, if that makes sense. I can't look at a word I don't know and pronounce it as I can't remember what combinations of letters sound like.



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26 Mar 2010, 11:00 pm

When I took my first French class, the teacher called my mom and demanded to know where I had heard French. I hadn't. But apparently for most people there is a developmental period past which they can't hear sounds in foreign languages and thus pronounce them with an accent. I either didn't go through it or went through it late. That period is, an autism researcher told me, a good example of how if typical people lose a skill in the course of normal development it doesn't get called regression, it gets called normal.


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26 Mar 2010, 11:02 pm

Accents are very easy for me to pick up and I learn languages very quickly.