Serial killers and/or Criminal Psychologists w/ Asperger's?

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17 Feb 2010, 1:50 am

That being said, most serial killers suffer from antisocial personality disorder and have often have marked behavioral patterns indicating such in childhood. Three of these behaviors, known as the MacDonald triad are almost always present in the childhood behavior of serial murderers.



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17 Feb 2010, 2:46 am

The Unabomber sounds like he displayed autistic behaviour. Even though they said he had selective mutism, Cho sounded like he displayed autistic behaviour too, but he was a spree killer rather than a serial.

There's Martin Bryant, who has Asperger's, but he was a spree killer too.



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17 Feb 2010, 3:25 am

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From memory and correct me if I am wrong, but Jeffrey Dahmer had suffered quite extensive abuse at the hands of his mother. Hence, his hatred of women......


Um...Jeffrey Dahmner showed no evidence of hating women. He was a homosexual if that's what you mean, but that wasn't caused by abuse. His parents were neglectful but not truly abusive, and he killed men that he slept with because he was lonely and he could keep their corpses with him and then he wasn't alone anymore and they wouldn't run away from him. His dream was to have a living person who was incapacitated and would always stay with him, and he tried to do this by pouring chemicals into a couple of men's brains but this killed them. He engaged in cannibalism because that was one way he would always have a piece of the men with him. Attachment to other people=not psychopathy, and he didn't hate women or men or anything like that. Seriously mentally disturbed but it's hard to say what he had.


Sorry.......could have been thinking of Ted Bundy or Son of Sam........my memory ain't so good :? . I did see a film about Jeffrey Dahmer and your comment jogged my memory.


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17 Feb 2010, 3:38 am

I don't know about other aspies, but I'm completely the opposite of sociopathic. I like people and want them to continue to exist and be happy, I just don't want to talk to them. And unlike sociopaths and NTs, I don't have disturbing emotion-filled thoughts. I don't even have nightmares.

But then I just remembered that I got this way after many years of forcing myself not to be sociopathic.



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21 Jan 2014, 1:32 am

I was doing some surfing of the web and I came across numerous studies on Aspergers and criminality. Some aspies can learn to become very socially efficient. I learned to study my face in the mirror for hours to better grasp facial muscle structure and emotional states along with hundreds of hours of studying social skills, communication skills, and nonverbal body language, both me and my cousin (he's officially diagnosed I'm not) have experience in sales we're both in our twenties, and I'm kind of known to be not that socially awkward in fact from what I've been told the only socially awkward thing about me is that I don't really mingle. My cousins a kind of rampant misogynist and I'm an extreme gynophobe and erotophobe with violent sado-masochistic tendencies which can be very hard to control at times. Because aspies have reduced capabilities for empathy and sympathy they very often can feel emotionally isolated. Add some violent trauma in early childhood and misread social cues voila you've got yourself one seriously f****d up individual. Aspies also have generally a good memory and human beings in general tend to remember negative memories more than positive ones. Victims can easily and often do become the best victimizers.



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21 Jan 2014, 7:04 am

MrTeacher wrote:
I am going to stir the pot to be a jerk!

I have read that the Virginia tech massacre killer was suspected of being autistic. He had selective mutism, obsessions, and social misunderstandings.


Maybe the extremely dysfunctional high school culture has something to do with these shootings. School shootings rarely happen in other countries. Why does the media never isolate the ways in which the US high school experience is uniquely causing this?



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21 Jan 2014, 7:29 am

Guys, we should seriously stop to assume other people have aspergers based on little to no reliable information. And just because someone is socially awkward and have special interests those mean he/she is autistic!! There's plenty of introverts out there, also intelectual people, obssessed people, anxious people, nerdy people, weird people, unstable people, sensitive people, antisocial people... It doesn't mean it's autism. Come on...

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Because aspies have reduced capabilities for empathy and sympathy they very often can feel emotionally isolated.

I strongly disagree with this. I don't experience reduced capability for empathy and based on what I have been reading on the issue and on other aspies experiences here in wrong planet most of them don't, either.

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Maybe the extremely dysfunctional high school culture has something to do with these shootings. School shootings rarely happen in other countries. Why does the media never isolate ways the US high school experience is uniquely causing this?

This. Here in Brazil it doens't happen. It happened only once two years ago but all experts agreed it was influenced by american shootings. Americans have to open their eyes to what they are doing to their school children and teens, those shootings are culturally based for sure.



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21 Jan 2014, 7:49 am

About the shootings, I can make a small cultural comparison because my sister is studying in the US. Of course both Brazil and the US have advantages and disadvantages, but we can see three characteristics that may help us understand american social dynamics and the shootings that happen there and not here.

1- social tension. My sister says there's a lot of tension in social relations in the US, like there are different groups: blacks, whites, muslims, latinos, asians etc and one group doesn't interact much with another and all groups are suspitious of the others. For instance, one day she sat in a table with her black friend and the black guy that was sitting in the next table stared at them and leaved.

2- people take things too seriously. The brazilian group had just arrived there and didn't know the customs well. They started joking about an indian guy's accent and all americans thought it was very offensive. In Brazil it's not considered offensive, come on, it's only a damn joke. Maybe because people take things too seriously a teen may overdymension his problems, like: "they made a joke of me, now I'm going to suffer for two days. If it keeps on happening I'm going to kill them all." In Brazil it's more like: "they made a joke of me... They'll see, I'll think of a funnier joke to tell them"

3- people seem to be indifferent. My sister met someone one day and talked a lot. Then the next day she met the person again and he didn't even say hi, just ignored her. In Brazil people are tons more warm, it would be like: "hey, I'm glad to meet you again! How are you doing? Give me a hug". This friendlier approach makes people feel like they are wanted and important. I imagine lots of american teens are invisible in their schools.

As I said, Brazil has tons of problems, but about those shootings comparing cultures seems to be an interesting approach.