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26 Feb 2010, 3:12 pm

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I mean, eg. when I talk about my executive dysfunction, saying that I have issues with planning and getting things done, people often say "oh, it's difficult for everyone". But it's not the same thing.
They are trying to downplay how difficult it is.


I don't think they try to willfully, it's rather because they don't know that there is such a thing as executive dysfunction, and if I don't give a very elaborate explanation, they think it's the same as mere laziness that they can experience themselves, and can't imagine why or how it should be anything more than that.

One I told about it, said that everyone felt like that at times, and when I tried to explain, she said: "You absolutely want to be different". That made me sad, in fact, and I told her that it wasn't something I did for the sake of amusement or to make myself "special". But she understood it when it was explained further.



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26 Feb 2010, 3:14 pm

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Everyone lacks TOM, everyone lacks empathy, people are inflexible. Look at all of us being unemployed. Why? Because they are so inflexible to hire us. They are so rigid and miss the overall picture because they focus on the little details about us and see them as flaws. Who's autistic now?


Yes, that's funny... they say we are rigid, but they are very rigid with their social rules themselves. :roll:



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26 Feb 2010, 3:16 pm

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Everyone lacks TOM, everyone lacks empathy, people are inflexible. Look at all of us being unemployed. Why? Because they are so inflexible to hire us. They are so rigid and miss the overall picture because they focus on the little details about us and see them as flaws. Who's autistic now?


What if they don't have enough revenue to hire anyone new?

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26 Feb 2010, 3:24 pm

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After being diagnosed with an extremely rare sleeping disorder,
Which one?



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26 Feb 2010, 3:30 pm

ruveyn wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Everyone lacks TOM, everyone lacks empathy, people are inflexible. Look at all of us being unemployed. Why? Because they are so inflexible to hire us. They are so rigid and miss the overall picture because they focus on the little details about us and see them as flaws. Who's autistic now?


What if they don't have enough revenue to hire anyone new?

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Why would they say they are hiring if they don't have any more positions for new people?



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26 Feb 2010, 4:57 pm

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"Everyone is a little bit autistic"?
Nope, I don't agree. Not one bit.
That's like saying everyone is a little bit nearsighted. Yet there are plenty of people in the world who don't need glasses of any kind. No nearsightedness at all. Just as there are people who have no autistic traits whatsoever.


I agree with this. I don't think that everyone possesses autistic traits. The underlying causes may be there, but when they are not strong enough to cause an effect, the person does not have the trait.

It's like... *thinks of analogy* suppose I was in a car park, and I needed to pay £1 to get a ticket. If I had 10p I couldn't get a ticket and couldn't park. If I had 99p I couldn't get a ticket. As soon as I have £1 I can get a ticket and park, before that I can't, even if I have 99 pennies.

(Ok, I confess, I really wanted to say it's like binding energy.) :lol:


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26 Feb 2010, 6:12 pm

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After being diagnosed with an extremely rare sleeping disorder,
Which one?


idiopathic hypersomnia



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26 Feb 2010, 7:12 pm

The idiopathic only means "no known origin" but yeah, hypersomnia is relatively rare. Interesting. Have they tried you on stimulants? As for your friends, it's SO not hypersomnia if you're sleepy because you didn't get to bed on time last night. If that's true, then every college student in the world has hypersomnia. :roll:

I've had problems with circadian-rhythm sleep disorder on and off. It's just so easy for my sleep cycle to get knocked off balance, and then I'll randomly start getting tired at 3 p.m. or not until 8 a.m., or other similarly useless times. When it starts interfering with your life (and mine does, believe me) you can diagnose it. You can't diagnose it if it's just a minor annoyance.

Apparently that's why lots of people think that they've got some problem or other, when they haven't actually got it--they see the subclinical variant, and don't realize that the diagnosis they're thinking about even has a subclinical variant in the first place. Folks with subclinical-variant autism, though, are so much like diagnosable autistics that they fit right in--thus my statement that, "If you don't need help, you don't need a diagnosis; but I've got no problem with calling you autistic"--because the subclinical variant is, culturally though not medically, part of autism.


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26 Feb 2010, 10:54 pm

I hate those lines. They aren't helpful at all and only really makes your problems appear less valid. It's like saying, "Oh everyone has those problems but they still manage. Why don't you?" I told my dad how I felt whenever I would talk about difficulties with his reply of, "it happens to everyone". BS it does! And even if so, does it happen ALL the time to everyone? Try living it.

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Why do you capitalize autistic?


Unfortunately for you, ursaminor, if you start asking that question you will find yourself tired pretty quickly. I call it "random capitalization" and I've been seeing it everywhere the last 2-3 years. I even see it in the media. It is one thing for those who are not practiced in their written language, it is another for those who are paid to communicate with written language that do it poorly. That is just disgusting. Do we lack such competent education that even those who are "learned" do it wrong? I am by all means not perfect, but you will never see me do the following (with exceptions of examples!): Hi, I have a dog that I think might be Sick. Can Somebody here tell me any symptoms to Look for?

Random capitalization at its finest.


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26 Feb 2010, 10:59 pm

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The Spectrum is made up of traits that are found in the general population; only in autistic people, they are so strong that they cause impairment--thus, the need for diagnosis. The genetics for autism are also most likely floating around in the general population, waiting to combine in the right ways before an autistic person can be born.

So, in a way, everyone *is* a little autistic--having some of the same traits, in varying degrees, and some of the same genes. Autism isn't some foreign invader or inscrutable puzzle; it's simply one of many possible extremes on the human bell curve.

This does not, however, mean that autism is not "a real disorder". Autism, like many disorders (both mental and physical), is not a singular entity; it fades into the normal, with no obvious boundary. We've simply determined that at the point where people start to need help thanks to their autistic traits, we will call it "autism" and take steps to help compensate for the gap between the autistic person's skills and society's expectations.


This.


makes sense



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27 Feb 2010, 9:37 am

I've always thought that when people say that, they are just trying to make you feel better, like "Oh, you're not alone". But it's very ignorant, nonetheless.


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27 Feb 2010, 1:20 pm

I think the meaning behind their words is directly proportional to their (potentially ignorant) perception of autism in YOU...

Meaning, if you display obvious/classical/well-known symptoms... then they are just trying to make you feel better via inclusiveness (an attempt to be accepting or something).

But if your traits are less obvious ect...

It can also be meant to be reassuring you that nothing is wrong with you and is meant to be empathetic despite their true lack of empathy.


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27 Feb 2010, 1:30 pm

It's also because generally, in most societies, it's impolite to point out someone's differences except in some cases where the differences are universally considered desirable (like talent or beauty).

So if an average person says to an autistic one, "You're not so different," he's saying that from a background belief that differences are usually bad. It's meant to be a compliment.


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27 Feb 2010, 1:33 pm

Pretty much the same thing with the whole, "autistic kids are good looking." (Not to mention the whole Einstein blah when it's used in that way.)

It's something to make you feel better, but when you look at it, it's insulting to you and many others.



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27 Feb 2010, 1:47 pm

Danielismyname wrote:
Pretty much the same thing with the whole, "autistic kids are good looking." (Not to mention the whole Einstein blah when it's used in that way.)

It's something to make you feel better, but when you look at it, it's insulting to you and many others.
Although it is quite a put-down when someone says: "Autistic kids are good looking, you are not good looking, therefore you are not autistic.
You are taken off disability and prompted to work as a teacher for little children."