Sex and alcohol: I just don't get it.

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Heh, here in the UK lots of people drink in public. And in pubs, obviously, which do count as public places. You can't smoke indoors, though, so there's no way in hell people will start lighting up joints.

Pubs do not count as public places. They are privately owned and you can be legally denied entrance.

They may be private property, but they're not private places. And here in the UK it's illegal to smoke in them.

Yeah it's illegal to smoke in them here too if they make something like more than 10% of their profits on food sales. Which is a much better law anyways because it wouldn't be a real bar without a hint of smoke in the air.

Just because laws apply to private property doesn't mean it's a public place. If that was the case my house is a public place because I legally can't grow weed in my house!

I never said that. But do you let strangers walk into your house at their will and buy things from you? No, because it's a residential property, but a pub is a public place, even if it is privately owned.

What do you think drug dealers do? I know a girl who's best friend's boyfriend was caught selling coke out of his home. What do you think people do with those product parties or whatever? What do you call an open house?

You want to know how public public places are? I'm not legally allowed in the dollar store here because my brother's friend stole a ice cream bar from the store. I get charged with trespassing if I am on their store property. People let you in their store because it's their private property and they want to make money. They don't let you in because they legally are forced to open shop at 9am, they can lock the doors whenever they want and anyone who refuses to leave when asked can be charged with trespassing.

Those things can hardly be compared with legal merchants.



So? If you steal from somewhere, of course they reserve the right to not let you in. But it's still a public place.

By your logic, the outdoors isn't public because you can get put in prison if you commit crimes.

No it's *your* logic not *my* logic. You are the one saying that because you can't smoke in a bar that it's a public place.

My logic is that if a person owns it, a person owns it. If the state owns it, the state owns it.

Who said the state has to own something for it to be public?

Okay lets put it this way. I go to Bradenton Motorsports Park to race my car. It is not a public road. It is a "closed course". A dude owns it.

I get on I-75 and head north. It is a public road, it is owned by the government.

I could go to Andersen Racing's PRIVATE track and pay a fee to do a couple laps. A dude owns it.

I could go to GT Bray, a public park and ride my bike around it. It is owned by the government.

That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's a public place, though.

Public place = somewhere the general public are welcome (perhaps with restrictions as defined by the owner).

Therefore, a public place can still be privately owned.

Not too sure about the OP. You don't get either, or you don't get them as a pair?

I enjoy both but as I rarely get to have sex, I'm stuck with alcohol!

Pubs are 'licensed premeses' here in the UK. They are not legally classed as purely public places per se, but have their own set of rules and regulations, one of which is the prohibition of smoking inside 'enclosed areas' i.e. indoors, in these premesis for example, and illegal to enter many at all if under 18.

A pub can refuse entrance to anybody it wants, as although it is a house to which the public are invited, it is privately owned The state does not 'own' pubs, merely just regulates them.

Brad

Last edited by Beardy3387 on 16 Sep 2010, 12:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I think there's been a confusion over what we're defining as "public places" - I was using the term to describe a place in which the public are allowed, not a place which is owned by the government.

You just don't know as much as you think you know, now someone has gotten on with a detailed legal explanation and you still are determined to call everywhere you don't sleep public.

It's not legally classified as a public place (as in, it's a private property instead), but it's still a place the public are welcome, which was what I meant in the first place. The only mistake I made was wording it in a confusing way.