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24 May 2006, 12:36 am

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The Journal of Cognitive Liberties published an interesting article on autism as a world view. There's alot more to this subject than whether we are positive or negative in our outlooks. Autism represents a neurologically diverse state that has the potential to subvert the dominant culture in all sorts of (I think) fascinating ways.

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/2jcl/2JCL43.htm


That is really good. Something worth looking into. It even mentions dadaism and surrealism ...

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24 May 2006, 12:39 am

hale_bopp wrote:
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It is true that Aspies either have a naive, innocent view of the world or a very dark, gritty, negative, fatalistic view of the world. These days I am in the latter because of my life experiences, I am deeply attracted to the ideas of the Goth subculture and it's art.


I guess I have a naive innocent view of the world, but I try not to. I see the world like i'm a 10 year old kid.

I'm interested in that too, newchum, but it doesn't have anything to do with how I see the world.



I'm always disturbed of how stupid nt's seem to be.


What's that got to do with anything I said?



It makes it too difficult for me to trust nt's.



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24 May 2006, 1:20 am

Lonermutant wrote:
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Lonermutant wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
newchum wrote:
It is true that Aspies either have a naive, innocent view of the world or a very dark, gritty, negative, fatalistic view of the world. These days I am in the latter because of my life experiences, I am deeply attracted to the ideas of the Goth subculture and it's art.


I guess I have a naive innocent view of the world, but I try not to. I see the world like i'm a 10 year old kid.

I'm interested in that too, newchum, but it doesn't have anything to do with how I see the world.



I'm always disturbed of how stupid nt's seem to be.


What's that got to do with anything I said?



It makes it too difficult for me to trust nt's.

Are you sure you don't mean other people in general?



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24 May 2006, 1:26 am

Yes.



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24 May 2006, 1:32 am

Lonermutant wrote:
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It is true that Aspies either have a naive, innocent view of the world or a very dark, gritty, negative, fatalistic view of the world. These days I am in the latter because of my life experiences, I am deeply attracted to the ideas of the Goth subculture and it's art.


I guess I have a naive innocent view of the world, but I try not to. I see the world like i'm a 10 year old kid.

I'm interested in that too, newchum, but it doesn't have anything to do with how I see the world.



I'm always disturbed of how stupid nt's seem to be.


I'm never surprised by how black and white people with aspergers tend to see the world, it's one of the most promenant traits.


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24 May 2006, 5:20 am

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
newchum wrote:
It is true that Aspies either have a naive, innocent view of the world or a very dark, gritty, negative, fatalistic view of the world. These days I am in the latter because of my life experiences, I am deeply attracted to the ideas of the Goth subculture and it's art.


I guess I have a naive innocent view of the world, but I try not to. I see the world like i'm a 10 year old kid.

I'm interested in that too, newchum, but it doesn't have anything to do with how I see the world.



I'm always disturbed of how stupid nt's seem to be.


I'm never surprised by how black and white people with aspergers tend to see the world, it's one of the most promenant traits.


Nice Generalisation. What you said is just as bad as what he said.



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24 May 2006, 5:23 am

For what it's worth, he did use the word tend, rather then saying something like
People with Asperger's Syndrome see the world in black and white



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24 May 2006, 7:21 am

Xuincherguixe wrote:
For what it's worth, he did use the word tend, rather then saying something like
People with Asperger's Syndrome see the world in black and white


I see the World in Black, White and Red. Oh, and Silver too.



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24 May 2006, 3:21 pm

newchum wrote:
It is true that Aspies either have a naive, innocent view of the world or a very dark, gritty, negative, fatalistic view of the world.


I do not know whether that is true of most aspies, but for myself, I have over time progressed from a naive, innocent, non-judgmental view of humans to a negative, cynical, critical, skeptical, judgmental, contemptuous view of most humans. But NOT pessimistic or fatalistic. And I have a positive view of a small percentage of humans, and am capable of being very caring to a select few.



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26 May 2006, 4:18 am

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It is true that Aspies either have a naive, innocent view of the world or a very dark, gritty, negative, fatalistic view of the world.


My world view is of the latter, which developed as a result of the former. However, I tend to view societies and the masses that way, not the individual.



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26 May 2006, 12:04 pm

everybody sees the world differently, even NT's, i guess it depends on life experiences and stress levels etc



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26 May 2006, 3:41 pm

How I see the world depends greatly on how much I am looking forward to a new experience and/or recent past events.

For example, when I left university and moved back down to Devon for a while until I could get a proper job, I looked forward to going to Northampton because

a) I had never been there before
b) I was about to start a new job in a lab and gain some valuable work experience
c)I'd been stuck in Devon without a decent job for too long

When I got there, my view of the whole situation and the world around me was a naive view as I was like a little child who had just received loads of my favourite sweets. I greeted everyone and every task in a friendly, upbeat and enthusiastic manner. Then it all went tits up as it turned out that some people were bullies while the rest went along with it (its a story you've all seen me write about before).

This time, when I started my new job six weeks ago, because of my bad experience in Northampton, my view was very different. I was primed and ready to defend myself wherever possible and lacked trust as well as losing much of the naivety. So far so good though because everyone seems nice and myself and another work colleague (although it was his last day today :( ) get on really well and I believe I have made a good friendship with this person. He is very trustworthy, funny and easy to talk to. Also, he knows about AS as in he really knows what it is despite not having it himself (thought I'd throw that comment in).

Anyway those are just a couple of examples to demonstrate how my view of the world is never the same.



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26 May 2006, 4:53 pm

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i think also it is because i like american people in general.. they seem very nice. i gotta love the accent.... ive spent ages trying to get the accent.. i havent got there yet but i will keep trying. ineed to hear more of it so i can do it.


You can have my accent. I don't want it anymore. (j/k)

But anyway, I was thinking about this whole topic today... Not the accent thing, but the whole innocent view vs. dark gritty view of the world.

I used to be more on the innocent side, but the more I learned about people and society my views got kinda dark. Then I became involved in law enforcement -- Then I took a really huge turn towards looking at the world in a bleak light. I've also been mistreated for my aspie traits by people who were close to me.

These days I project the view of a happy (often mistaken for innocent) person and it often astonishes people when I change gears and talk about things from a more realistic point of view. I guess you could say that I've been around the block a few times, seeing the best and worst of different sorts of attitudes.

I could sit here and blame the world for my problems. I could blame other people, my family, me, AS or just about anything under the sun. Blame is a useless action that achieves absolutely nothing. It's all just sour grapes. You can sit there and waste time being angry, bitter or sulking like some goth or emo scene kid, OR you can get out there and do something about it. At least try to carve out some sort of change in the world around you.

Happiness is ultimately a result of your state of mind, which is something you choose. The world reacts to your choices whether you want to be a part of that world or not.

All attitudes have a place. My life has improved in indescribable ways since I outwardly took a more positive approach to things. But should my light innocent side get me into a bad spot, it's nice to know I have the dark gritty side lingering in the background to come to the rescue.



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26 May 2006, 5:34 pm

I'm not sure how I see the world yet. I do know that I have a habit of seeing loads of shades on everything--I like to think that I try to see my world in color, not in black and white nor even in shades of gray. The world is unbelievably complex and I'm not even close to understanding all of it.


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26 May 2006, 8:54 pm

Aeturnus wrote:
anandamide wrote:
The Journal of Cognitive Liberties published an interesting article on autism as a world view. There's alot more to this subject than whether we are positive or negative in our outlooks. Autism represents a neurologically diverse state that has the potential to subvert the dominant culture in all sorts of (I think) fascinating ways.

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/2jcl/2JCL43.htm


That is really good. Something worth looking into. It even mentions dadaism and surrealism ...

- Ray M -


It's also written in High Academic Regalian, a dialect I have less and less use for as the years go by.



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26 May 2006, 9:45 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
newchum wrote:
It is true that Aspies either have a naive, innocent view of the world or a very dark, gritty, negative, fatalistic view of the world. These days I am in the latter because of my life experiences, I am deeply attracted to the ideas of the Goth subculture and it's art.


In my opinion, nt's are ret*ds.

You don't seem so bright yourself. Logically, NT's are far superior to us. And yet, you make the illogical statement that they're ret*ds. This is probably ascribable to the autistic tendency to believe they are the best, no matter how illogical that belief may be, which often results in bitterness when that belief system comes crashing down.


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