Asked the priest why God made aspie people

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02 Nov 2010, 4:48 pm

the :pig: and me are tired of filthy christians, of any kind! :x


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02 Nov 2010, 4:56 pm

The OP is a known troll.


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02 Nov 2010, 5:01 pm

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What a weird thing for him to say. I once asked a similar question of my Bishop when I was trying to be a good little Mormon. I was told that each person is given a set of trials, and those with disabilities were given them so they could learn to rise above them. I then asked about the parents of disabled children, and he said parents are often given disabled children to teach them to be more compassionate and understanding.


My mom was a Mormon when I was born. She asked her bishop the same thing, and was told something similar, that she had an important duty to fulfill in God's eyes. The problem in her ward wasn't the bishop per se, but all the jerks who behind her back said that she had been "less valiant" in the War in Heaven and was being punished. It's one thing for a layperson to be bigoted, it's quite another when the preacher is bigoted. Any church has its share of hateful clergy, and the Mormons seem to get a lot of them, since they draft lay members into the clergy.


So true. I remember when I was 17, I had a female friend that was 20 years older than me (my friends have usually been much older) that wanted to go to girl's camp with the rest of the females. She was denied because she and her husband had been unable to conceive.

That was the final straw for me. I just couldn't pretend I found the church a good place to be anymore.


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02 Nov 2010, 5:55 pm

screw religion.....i'm also a lefty which makes me even more unloved by the gods/god....either way i need no love from any entity that i cross paths with


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02 Nov 2010, 6:01 pm

That really does not sound like an answer a priest would give.



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02 Nov 2010, 6:07 pm

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I'm confused, you go to church? Last I remember, you made a thread asking who here believed in God, with a slant against the belief in God. Secondly, you were previously creating threads intended to incite NT-hate in Aspies here. Did you really ask the priest about this?

People can be really intolerant, but I highly doubt a priest would answer that way. I'm sure a typical priest would first have to ask what an Aspie is, out of ignorance, and then have a hard time answering that - and the answer would probably pertain to how Aspies are different, and thus have purposes in life that can only be fulfilled like Aspies and not NT's. Or something like that...

The only time a priest is likely to answer as intolerantly as you describe, is when the priest is ultra-conservative and is being asked about homosexuals or other-religious people.

About the question itself, if there is an answer, it likely pertains to variety/diversity.


I second this.

If a priest actually was asked (doubtful), your theoretical answers sound a lot more plausible. I don't believe for one minute that a priest actually said this.



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02 Nov 2010, 7:31 pm

Just like my minister at church. His strong curebie line was the start of me disengaging with the church.



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02 Nov 2010, 8:07 pm

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The OP is a known troll.


Thank you for pointing this out.



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02 Nov 2010, 9:45 pm

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Or perhaps there is no god that created us. We are simply a product of a few slipped genes here and there, giving us some disadvantages in a very social society. However our minds are ripe for the use of the sciences, where we find real answers other than "god did it".
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02 Nov 2010, 9:52 pm

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:( He said that we were made for a purpose to show peolpe that they should be grateful for what God has given them, because they could of been aspie but God choose them to be normal and correct. He basically said that we were the children of the devil i guess. Got me down
You really put him on the spot, didn't you? I assume that most seminaries (I'm Protestant personally, but I don't think it's that different) don't really train their priests in disability issues. His answer was a traditional one, but it comes straight out of popular culture--not out of the Bible. The Bible doesn't seem to touch on it very much, either, except for one circumstantial reference:
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As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.
So, basically, from this we know that disability isn't a punishment from God; in fact, it's something God apparently plans for. There's also the interesting fact that Jesus, in cases where the person in question was conscious and aware, always asked permission before healing someone--none of this "for your own good" stuff. (There are also a few passages in the Old Testament, but they are generally quarantine regulations and ceremonial law--parts of the law that aren't in effect anymore.)

That's not a whole lot of an answer, I know; but your priest (much as I hate to disrespect the fellow) was wrong: God doesn't make disabled people to make everybody else grateful; he makes them because he either wants them to be the way they are, or lets them be the way they were going to be; and he allows it for a reason that in the end makes things better than they would've been if he hadn't.

Beyond the scant passages that address disability directly, though, there are a lot of general things that can be applied: Namely, the many times God talks about equality and human rights, about the way one ought to treat others, and about the way people ought to take care of each other. Disabled people are no exception to any of that--When God talks about people, that includes autistic ones.


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02 Nov 2010, 10:08 pm

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You really put him on the spot, didn't you? I assume that most seminaries (I'm Protestant personally, but I don't think it's that different) don't really train their priests in disability issues. His answer was a traditional one, but it comes straight out of popular culture--not out of the Bible. The Bible doesn't seem to touch on it very much, either, except for one circumstantial reference:


The Catholic priests I know say that suffering (including disabilities) are part of carrying the cross as Christ commanded, a way for individuals to share in Christ's sufferings.

The "health and wealth gospel" is totally un-Catholic. Many or even most of the saints suffered some kind of illness, poverty or other suffering, often extreme suffering, and I frequently hear prayers at Mass saying things such as, "May all who suffer pain and mental or physical illness know that they are specially chosen by God." (That one was just a few days ago.) These prayers are part of the official liturgy, not just something made up by the individual priest.

So aside from the fact that the OP has been obviously trolling for a while, I find it difficult to believe that what he reports the priest having said is accurate, but even if it was, it certainly does not represent Catholic teaching, at all. Those who wish to bash Christians will find any excuse, I suppose. Heaven forbid we should check our facts, it might interfere with Christian-bashing.



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02 Nov 2010, 10:11 pm

PunkyKat wrote:
The OP is a known troll.


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02 Nov 2010, 10:18 pm

I think this is an apocryphal story.


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02 Nov 2010, 10:18 pm

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PangeLingua wrote~ The Catholic priests I know say that suffering (including disabilities) are part of carrying the cross as Christ commanded, a way for individuals to share in Christ's sufferings.

The "health and wealth gospel" is totally un-Catholic. Many or even most of the saints suffered some kind of illness, poverty or other suffering, often extreme suffering, and I frequently hear prayers at Mass saying things such as, "May all who suffer pain and mental or physical illness know that they are specially chosen by God." (That one was just a few days ago.) These prayers are part of the official liturgy, not just something made up by the individual priest.



Thank you for saying this. I'm not Catholic nor am I a fan of many religious leaders. Nor do I belong to a religion. I so badly want to comment on this because my interpretation of Christ is a part of my main "special interest". I'll only say this here.

One of Jesus last words was, "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?", taking up the voice of all outcasts and the dispossessed. I believe this includes the so called "godless".

I do not say this to debate or argue, this is my special interest, which I've hyper-focused on.



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03 Nov 2010, 12:42 am

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Your priest is dumb.

The real reason there are aspies is we live in a fallen cursed world, so nothing is perfect. I'm surprised the idiot didn't think of that.
'Children of the Devil' doesn't even come into it.


I second this.


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03 Nov 2010, 1:00 am

Does God really have any choice on our mental differences?

I believe in God but I don't think he has that much control over us. Or if he wants to. My mum prayed for me to live. God answers prayers but doesn't decide who will be autistic or NT. He doesn't even use those terms.


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