Why do most NTs have little regard for professionals?

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Laz
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03 Jan 2011, 2:54 pm

There is such a saying that a little knowledge is dangerous

It's a saying I find has a lot of truth in it



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03 Jan 2011, 2:56 pm

The airy fairy god argument emerges once again from the arse of a christian with a straw hat man argument as his only defence



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03 Jan 2011, 2:58 pm

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The airy fairy god argument emerges once again from the arse of a christian with a straw hat man argument as his only defence


until Judgment day... we will have to agree to disagree


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03 Jan 2011, 3:00 pm

I respect people who are doing what's right whatever their credentials. I know this is a radical way of looking at things.


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03 Jan 2011, 3:03 pm

Certainly a few professionals who arn't acting in that matter



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03 Jan 2011, 3:09 pm

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Yes, but if some idiot came to you and started telling you how the pyramids were built by aliens or by a bunch of foreigners and you tell them that there is not proof for that but there is lots of proof that they were built by Egyptian workers and you SHOW them the proof, are you not going to loose your cool when they insist that you are an idiot and that you don't know anything?


Well no, because in my previous job as a museum curator I felt it was my job to listen to and educate the public not shout at them! Sure I am/was a professional archaeologist in that sense, but I've always been really keen on public involvement and that's rarely a static thing. People like to have their own opinions and express them which is what I believe you are doing also. There's a right to both and unless someone is actually going to die as a result of someone else's opinion, then I think live and let live. Gosh I even used to leave typo's in some of my display label's for the pleasure it gave people to correct me - nothing outrageous and things that were really bad got changed right away, just some error spotting gave some people a lot of pleasure.



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03 Jan 2011, 3:25 pm

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The airy fairy god argument emerges once again from the arse of a christian with a straw hat man argument as his only defence


Regardless of the strength or weakness of a fundamentalist Christian's argument, contemptuous dismissal is the refuge of the intellectually lazy.


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03 Jan 2011, 3:51 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
Laz wrote:
The airy fairy god argument emerges once again from the arse of a christian with a straw hat man argument as his only defence


Regardless of the strength or weakness of a fundamentalist Christian's argument, contemptuous dismissal is the refuge of the intellectually lazy.


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03 Jan 2011, 4:00 pm

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anything man-made is inherently flawed, it cannot be trusted.
Wait; you mean anything? Absolutely anything man-made at all?
And "trusted" - trusted in any sense at all? Like all the benefits coming from years of research which are clearly of benefit will, somehow, turn out to have been lies all along?
Your reasoning is very difficult to see.

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The argument that the Bible is "man made" is a fallacy, man picked up the pencil, but God did the talking
Really? That's pretty bold. I don't understand how it can be so easily dismissed as a fallacy considering the different versions & translations involved, so I'm curious as to how it is a fallacy - any evidence for this which might stand up to independent, fact-based investigation instead of relying on faith?

I don't mean to attack you in any way - really, I don't - and I have no doubt that your faith is absolutely true and meaningful for you - but you've made statements which dismiss what many others hold to be true so it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for a quick explanation.


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03 Jan 2011, 4:14 pm

i dont find someone having a phd to be demanding of respect. i give respect to people as a whole, but not simply because they had the time and money to pursue an advanced degree.

i think what bothers me is how many professionals seem to look condescendingly on those who do not hold an advanced degree. lack of a degree does not make one lacking in intelligence or knowledge. a layperson can have just as much knowledge about a subject as someone who holds a phd, they simply didnt pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in the guise of education for it.

i have seen this type of holier-than-thou attitude a multitude of times, most notably in the medical field. i detest being treated like an imbecile, and that seems to be how most doctors treat patients. that has partly fueled my anti-doctor attitude, which i suppose by definition is anti-phd.


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03 Jan 2011, 4:23 pm

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i dont find someone having a phd to be demanding of respect. i give respect to people as a whole, but not simply because they had the time and money to pursue an advanced degree.

i think what bothers me is how many professionals seem to look condescendingly on those who do not hold an advanced degree. lack of a degree does not make one lacking in intelligence or knowledge. a layperson can have just as much knowledge about a subject as someone who holds a phd, they simply didnt pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in the guise of education for it.

i have seen this type of holier-than-thou attitude a multitude of times, most notably in the medical field. i detest being treated like an imbecile, and that seems to be how most doctors treat patients. that has partly fueled my anti-doctor attitude, which i suppose by definition is anti-phd.

I hear ya! i feel like saying

"wow, that piece of paper must make you feel sooooo smart" or
"you must feel very insecure if you need that piece of paper to tell you that you're better than me" or
"you seriously spent 300,000 dollars for someone to tell you whats already been written down? and im the idiot?"


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03 Jan 2011, 4:34 pm

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I don't understand how it can be so easily dismissed as a fallacy considering the different versions & translations involved, so I'm curious as to how it is a fallacy - any evidence for this which might stand up to independent, fact-based investigation instead of relying on faith?


Hebrew was the original language given to us, the Bible, written in Hebrew is perfect and complete. Difference in versions can again be explained through human error. All languages other than Hebrew are man made and subject to error, many words to not translate easily from Hebrew to Greek/Latin/Aramaic/English...and so on.

It is remarkable that the general message has remained more or less intact over the past 5000 years. I think the fact that thousands of translators over thousands of years all arriving at pretty much the same idea, speaks to the authenticity of the Bible. Also the fact that Isaiah wrote a whole book of prophecies that describe the life of Jesus to a T, 400 years before He was even born. Even atheists accept that Jesus, as a human once walked this earth, they may reject His divinity, but there is little doubt that He existed as a man.

Noahs ark has been found, remains of adam and eve have been found, evidence of the presence of Jesus has been found--all by people who claim not to believe in God.

Now if you'll excuse me, im gonna go stand in the middle of the freeway and shout I DONT BELIEVE IN BUSES!! !!


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03 Jan 2011, 4:56 pm

azurecrayon wrote:
i dont find someone having a phd to be demanding of respect. i give respect to people as a whole, but not simply because they had the time and money to pursue an advanced degree.


That's because you don't have a PhD and have the mistaken notion that you need time and money to pursue one. If you had a PhD, you would know that most PhD programs take in a few students with full funding.

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i think what bothers me is how many professionals seem to look condescendingly on those who do not hold an advanced degree. lack of a degree does not make one lacking in intelligence or knowledge. i have seen this type of holier-than-thou attitude a multitude of times, most notably in the medical field. i detest being treated like an imbecile, and that seems to be how most doctors treat patients. that has partly fueled my anti-doctor attitude, which i suppose by definition is anti-phd.


Yes, but you would not be able to have an intelligent fight with someone who has spend 10 years researching a specific subject. What bothers me is the attitude many people have that they can actually challenge someone who has spent 10 years researching and writing about something, with or without PhD.



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03 Jan 2011, 4:56 pm

thechadmaster, many thanks.

I wasn't aware of this: "remains of adam and eve have been found".
That's interesting. Do you have any web links which might give further information?

And neither do I understand how man's fallible and untrustworthy technology could have been used (I assume that's what was used) to validate the accuracy or truth of the above and the other things you mention.

But thanks anyway. :)


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03 Jan 2011, 4:56 pm

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I respect other professionals no matter what their field is. I expect to be respected in return for the knowledge I have in my own field.

You may feel respect for others professional achievements. However, you will continue to be disappointed in others if you expect them to respect your achievements... except in your university of course.

The world is full of people who are convinced of bizarre conspiracies or wild magical beliefs about what is going on here. I'm sure you have observed that in your studies of history? Why should things be any different for you than they were for Galileo?

Let me recommend a wonderful book for you by Wendy Kaminer called "Sleeping with Extraterrestrials"


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03 Jan 2011, 4:57 pm

thechadmaster wrote:
Noahs ark has been found...


No it hasn't.

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...remains of adam and eve have been found


No they haven't.