Are we considered INTELLIGENT because we have to be

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22 Jul 2011, 6:55 pm

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I don't know, but I'm really not that intelligent, my IQ is something like 115-120, and I don't really think I'm that intelligent either, but people always seem to think I'm genius. People think I am super smart within 10 seconds of meeting me. Literally. 10 seconds. This seems to be the case with the special education assistants at my school especially. I think it's because they work with children who have intellectual disabilities mostly or something.

One special ed assistant get mad at me because we were talking about my schedule for school and I said that I had math in the morning. She said "I bet your good at math", and I'm not so I said "No, actually it's one of my worst subjects". She was very surprised and seem kind of annoyed for some reason.

I also don't like it when someone thinks I'm good at math just because I'm kind of smart in their opinion. Being smart doesn't necessarily mean being good at math.


I'm not brilliant at mathematics. I'm not terrible but I don't have the talent for it that people expect me to have.

People seem to think I'm super smart, as well. I'm not. I have a badass memory and pretty good reasoning skills, is all. Even so, I feel like I have just enough of that kind of intelligence to deal with my life. In a sense, I use my memory and reasoning to compensate for my deficiencies in other areas.

I'm an idiot when it comes to social skills, though slowly improving as I age.


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22 Jul 2011, 7:14 pm

I have noticed that a correlation exists with a persons stupidity and their socialization habits. Dumb people tend to be extremely extroverted; just think of Forrest Gump as a prime example of this. As Benjamin Franklin once said, "an empty barrel makes the loudest noise."


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22 Jul 2011, 8:31 pm

mrsmith wrote:
Is it so that somebody with ASD functioning at a certain level and/or having education at a certain level has to be quite intelligent (In term of IQ) to compensate for the ASD (and ADHD and other issues).


Your question is are "we" considered intelligent because we "have to be"

To NT society even normal IQ (around 90-110) is a miracle to somebody with autism because in their eyes we "have intelligence" despite our autism. This perhaps over-exaggerates the intelligence factor to the untrained eye. The reality is "high functioning" on the ASD spectrum simply means an IQ > 70.

By trying to prove we are geeks or nerds to NTs is trying to lend oxygen to a self fulfilling prophecy. In that context we become a function of what society allows us to be. Free thought and self independance gives us an opportunity to develop at our own pace and retain dignity of not having to perform like circus animals to prove we have some value to society.



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22 Jul 2011, 8:57 pm

Mindslave wrote:
The stereotype of trains and computers makes us seem smart to most people (because what do most people actually know about AS?) Also, not being well adjusted socially certainly helps, because society breeds stupidity, and not being a part of that is a good thing.

^ That is an accurate paradigm. The safety in numbers cliche certainly makes a 'positive' mental bias, either for better or worse.


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A disconnnection in one cognitive area finds compensation in another:

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Summarized, the person with wide associative horizon is primarily living one's own mind, not letting one's mental state be determined or strongly affected by others. This is not a choice but a personality feature outside of one's control. Such a person may be seen as unusual, isolated, original, bizarre, detached from emotion, cold.

The most recent insight as to the cause of having a wide associative horizon concerns the intellect trying to make sense of the world in the absence of mammalian instincts like empathy and "nonverbal communication" (facial expression, intonation, and body language). This is what one sees in Aspergoid, schizoid, autistic, or some premorbid schizophrenic persons. Such a condition widens associative horizon, while also increasing and advancing awareness. It is as if the intellect can operate much more freely when not held back by the ancient mammalian biases of instinct. The level of intelligence and the depth of the disturbance of instinct both play a role in determining the width of associative horizon. It is a synergistic interaction; Intelligence combined with the defect of instinct first causes associative horizon to be wide, and then intelligence and associative horizon both contribute to creativity (together with conscientiousness).



link: http://www.paulcooijmans.com/genius/ass ... rizon.html



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22 Jul 2011, 9:06 pm

intelligence can be measured on not saying anything either. so someone can be very intelligent and someone wouldn't even know it.



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22 Jul 2011, 9:09 pm

LostUndergrad9090 wrote:
intelligence can be measured on not saying anything either. so someone can be very intelligent and someone wouldn't even know it.


That's kinda what I meant. The most intelligent people are usually the ones who don't say much.


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22 Jul 2011, 9:10 pm

oh yeah sorry. I kinda tend to do that.