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13 Aug 2011, 6:43 pm

I do beleive he has Aspergers. It it diagnosed heavily in his family. He has many typical traits, but the caveat is he was raised by a mom with a personality disorder and one mean degrading disposition. I believe his dad also has aspergers. Actually a close friend of mine with diagnosed aspergers pointed it out. What you are all saying though is that this level of meanness is not typical. Does anyone have info on being raised by a parent with Aspergers, or books explaining communication skills geared for kids? Thanks



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13 Aug 2011, 6:53 pm

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I do beleive he has Aspergers. It it diagnosed heavily in his family. He has many typical traits, but the caveat is he was raised by a mom with a personality disorder and one mean degrading disposition. I believe his dad also has aspergers. Actually a close friend of mine with diagnosed aspergers pointed it out. What you are all saying though is that this level of meanness is not typical. Does anyone have info on being raised by a parent with Aspergers, or books explaining communication skills geared for kids? Thanks


Even if he does have Asperger's Syndrome, it's still possible to have a personality disorder. And no, that level of meanness is not typical. I find it extremely difficult to be mean to people (although I do come across as callous and blunt when I am not trying to and often when I do try to, but even so, I don't destroy other people's property or try to tear them down as people). I don't know that my temperament is typical either, but what you described sounds like a personality thing.



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13 Aug 2011, 7:06 pm

It sounds like you could use some professional help on sorting this out.
It sounds too overwhelming to deal with through a book.
I think the first priority would be to protect your child from his father's hurtful behavior.

I don't know what kind of custody agreement you have, but perhaps you could revisit it and petition for your ex to get therapy and anger management as a stipulation to having contact with his child. From what you've described I don't think that is unreasonable at all--it's in the best interest of the child.


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13 Aug 2011, 7:07 pm

this is the first time he has done something physical like this. Normally he is unable to perceive the emotions of others and ALWAYS misconstrues intent. It is this misconstruing of intent that 'sets him off', maybe berating is not the corect term, but i receive a stream of uninteruptable dialog frequently.



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13 Aug 2011, 7:22 pm

What you've mentioned doesn't sound like aspergers. It sounds like you don't really know much about aspergers but you are just so sure he has aspergers yet what you've mentioned sounds more like a personality disorder.

Also, he cheated on you and assumes no responsibility. The lack of empathy you described is more on the scale of personality disorder not aspergers. When people "READ" about aspergers and autism, it's not accurate always especially when things are left up to interpretation like "lack of empathy". When one reads that, they assume it means lack of caring. Your ex sounds like he doesn't care he cheated on you. That is the lack of empathy found in personality disorders not aspergers.

Are you one of these people who signed up here to degrade aspergers and try to twist it into a personality disorder because I've noticed a pattern where several people have signed up here with NT in their user name who did the same.

Comes across as this one blogger trying to paint all prior serial killers as having aspergers when really they had personality disorders.

Don't assume you know that he has aspergers when you haven't listed much of any asperger traits but instead listed personality disorder. You might want to look up narcissist or sociopath.

I hope you aren't on here to assume he 100 percent has aspergers and dismiss those who do have aspergers as not knowing what they are talking about. It comes across almost trollish and you are attempting to pretend aspergers has anything to do with being a sociopath or narcissist.

His lack of empathy for cheating on you, his lack of accepting responsibility showing no remorse is NOT aspergers. If you can't be bothered to look up the personality disorders mentioned then you just can't be bothered.

You made it seem as though he isn't sorry much either for mistakes. Now you're saying "Okay maybe berate is the wrong word". Okay so are you making the situation out to be worse than it is? Do you want him to have aspergers as the reason rather than figure out the truth?



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13 Aug 2011, 7:34 pm

My mom has Asperger's. She did her best; she was widowed and was often overwhelmed, so she wan't a perfect parent (who is?), but she was loving and never abusive and, all things considered, was probably one of the stable parts of my life that resulted in my becoming stronger from the difficulties I faced as a child, rather than breaking. My mom and I were both victimized by a neurotypical man whom she married, who lied to her, hit me, and verbally abused her. My littlest sister is still living at home and has a happy childhood, especially since the aforementioned abuser left her when my littlest sister was five years old (ten years ago). We all survived; my family is tough like that. My littlest sister is going to graduate high school a year early and take college classes until she's eighteen. She wants to be a professional musician and is already good enough to play at weddings. The middle sister is neurotypical and three years younger than me, and is on her own like I am. She's talented with languages and currently teaching English in China and is doing well. At last report, she was fluent in four languages and is looking for more.

My mom is eccentric and tends to lecture a lot, and she's often stressed out by sensory overload and had to go to her bedroom and lie down; but she has a strong sense of ethics which she taught me. She's an occupational therapist and her work with the disabled when I was a child is part of why I was able to more easily accept my own diagnosis and disability, because I had met disabled children as equals as a child. Ironically, she hasn't been able to accept my autism particularly well, because she seems to have absorbed from her co-workers in the health-care industry the attitude of pity that is so pervasive there; but she still values the disabled as people and will advocate for them pretty strongly, getting in trouble with co-workers when her clients want something and she has to make waves to get it. She once made enemies over a request for a seat cushion for a nursing home resident to put in her rocking chair... I disagree with my mom now on many topics; but even that is probably a good sign, since the environment I grew up in was one that let me learn to think for myself. Honestly, we argue a lot, but I really couldn't complain about her as a parent. She's fallible and human, but we muddled through it together and I'm a grown-up now. :)


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13 Aug 2011, 7:40 pm

Also thanks to people misunderstanding an autistic's lack of empathy and gossipy idiots who insist they know what they are talking about spreading lies in their blogs, this is the kind of insult we have to put up with now. Serial killers have aspergers? Really? No! Those people are charming, calculating, can hide behind many different personas, they can do social manipulation quite well.

Do serial killers have Asperger's syndrome?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 532AAn0RuW

Children are being misdiagnosed as having aspergers when really they are showing signs of personality disorder. Killing their pets, damaging property some down right cruel behavior. That is not autism.


People are trying so hard to morph aspergers into personality disorders. Do you know how insulting that is? I wonder if sociopaths are trying to appear to have aspergers when caught so they can claim aspergers as an excuse.

http://www.suite101.com/content/would-a ... ony-a77342



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13 Aug 2011, 7:47 pm

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I do beleive he has Aspergers. It it diagnosed heavily in his family.


Just because you are convinced of this doesn't make it so. Even if every person in his family has, that doesn't mean he does, nor does it mean you have the qualifications to diagnose him. If he DOES have Aspergers, that is beside the point. There is SOMETHING ELSE causing him to act that way.

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Does anyone have info on being raised by a parent with Aspergers


It wouldn't be useful in your case. You need info on being raised by a parent with whatever is causing him to behave that way. In order to fill in that blank he needs to get assessed professionally, not by an ex-wife who thinks she knows more than she does.


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13 Aug 2011, 7:58 pm

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I do beleive he has Aspergers. It it diagnosed heavily in his family. He has many typical traits, but the caveat is he was raised by a mom with a personality disorder and one mean degrading disposition. I believe his dad also has aspergers. Actually a close friend of mine with diagnosed aspergers pointed it out. What you are all saying though is that this level of meanness is not typical. Does anyone have info on being raised by a parent with Aspergers, or books explaining communication skills geared for kids? Thanks


Inconsistancy spotted. In your original post you wrote:

Hello, I'm divorced from a man that I now realize has Asperger's as do many of his nephews and likely many other undiagnosed family members.



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13 Aug 2011, 8:11 pm

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So here is a video of what a narcissist sounds like. Actual messages.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvwN9Qy3SEs[/youtube]


The dad does come across as having a personality disorder. I just wonder if it's narcissism or sociopath. :(

You might want to be careful with this guy.

He was slighted by the name on the Jersey to the point of destroying it and smashing a helmet. That is an indicator he could turn that abuse out on the kids or you. This is not Aspergers.

What I wonder though is, IS the term NT becoming more known to the public? Attaching NT to your name as a new user makes me wonder if people refer to themselves as NT who are considered normal now. I never hear NT offline.


Geez that guy sounds delusional. Maybe that is another symptom of NPD.



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13 Aug 2011, 8:21 pm

TheygoMew wrote:
divorcedntmom wrote:
I do beleive he has Aspergers. It it diagnosed heavily in his family. He has many typical traits, but the caveat is he was raised by a mom with a personality disorder and one mean degrading disposition. I believe his dad also has aspergers. Actually a close friend of mine with diagnosed aspergers pointed it out. What you are all saying though is that this level of meanness is not typical. Does anyone have info on being raised by a parent with Aspergers, or books explaining communication skills geared for kids? Thanks


Inconsistancy spotted. In your original post you wrote:

Hello, I'm divorced from a man that I now realize has Asperger's as do many of his nephews and likely many other undiagnosed family members.



Uh they both sound the same. Maybe the nephews are diagnosed and her husband has many family members are are not diagnosed but have it. Maybe that is what she meant. But I am interested to hear her explanation.



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13 Aug 2011, 8:27 pm

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this is the first time he has done something physical like this. Normally he is unable to perceive the emotions of others and ALWAYS misconstrues intent. It is this misconstruing of intent that 'sets him off', maybe berating is not the corect term, but i receive a stream of uninteruptable dialog frequently.


My mother appears to me to have both Asperger and NPD. She was a very lienent parent and not mean or abusive when we were young, although she did not notice many problems we had or pay attention to our development and left us in dangerous situations sometimes due to her obliviousness. Her narcissism was in operation outside the home in her job and in brief involvements she had with men. But she was quite gental toward us until I reached adolescence when she began to say hurtful things occationally. But now I can see that this could be due to the fact that she cannot put herself in another person's shoes and understand their emotions or how her actions affect another person's emotions.

Later she developed delusions of grandure believeing she was involved as a kind of king-pin in important world events. She now gets verbally abusive toward me and my siblings if she feels insulted and not seen as having been a perfect mother. This is the narcissistic false persona that cannot admit anything less that perfection. But she was never mean or abusive in public nor has she ever tried to control us or our lives as NT narcissistic parents usually do.

I agree with others above that what you have described does not fit with what I know of Asperger or even with AS + NPD but it is not very much information to go on and how these kinds of conditions might interact in a given individual at a specific moment would be impossible to predict.



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13 Aug 2011, 10:22 pm

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Uh they both sound the same.


I didn't catch that myself, but no, they don't sound the same. One says the many people in the family have been diagnosed with an ASD (in a case like this, I would expect the word diagnosis to be a real diagnosis not that they are diagnosed by HER standards which are off anyway!) And the other says that only a few nephews and some others who are NOT diagnosed MAY have it. One shows uncertainty, the other does not. How is that the same thing?


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13 Aug 2011, 11:44 pm

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Hello, I'm divorced from a man that I now realize has Asperger's as do many of his nephews and likely many other undiagnosed family members.
This language is very imprecise, and it's unclear whether the nephews are included in the "undiagnosed family members" and the group that divorcedntmom claims to now realize has AS. The status of the nephews' diagnosis isn't explained with this statement. This isn't necessarily inconsistent with her other claim.

But the things she listed as indicators for AS made it sound like she didn't have a good understanding of what AS is. Her desciptions of her ex-husband don't sound like someone with AS. They sound like she is describing someone who is actively vindictive and who is a serial adulterer. That seems more like someone who would me both socially skilled and vindictive, contrary to what would be expected from someone with AS, who would seem to be more likely to be socially confused and socially naive.

These are the diagnostic criteria for AS:

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(I) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
(A) marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction
(B) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
(C) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people, (e.g.. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
(D) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

(II) Restricted repetitive & stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
(A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
(B) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
(C) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g. hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
(D) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

(III) The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

(IV) There is no clinically significant general delay in language (E.G. single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years)

(V) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

(VI) Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia."



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14 Aug 2011, 12:25 am

Your husband sounds like a psycho.


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14 Aug 2011, 1:32 am

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Uh they both sound the same.


I didn't catch that myself, but no, they don't sound the same. One says the many people in the family have been diagnosed with an ASD (in a case like this, I would expect the word diagnosis to be a real diagnosis not that they are diagnosed by HER standards which are off anyway!) And the other says that only a few nephews and some others who are NOT diagnosed MAY have it. One shows uncertainty, the other does not. How is that the same thing?



I explained in my post why they sound the same.

Maybe the nephews are diagnosed and her husband has many family members are are not diagnosed but have it. Maybe that is what she meant. But I am interested to hear her explanation.


Just my speculation of what she was saying. TheygoMew thought the OP was contradicting herself and I hate it when people assume that just because they didn't understand what they read since people have done that to me before. I don't know if it was her way of asking her to explain herself or if she was calling her out on her lie. I could be wrong though what her intentions were when she did that.