Spin -Off.....Aspie rule follower VS anti-authoritarian

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I download music too, but only stuff that I wouldn't buy. If I really like something, then I buy it. If I only want one song, then I'm not going to buy the album to get one song. Or if I kinda like the song, but don't like it enough that I would ever buy it, then I download it.

I know that sounds like it doesn't make much sense, but I do have a very strict sense of what is "music I would buy" and I do go buy those albums in the store without having downloaded them first.

I break the rules. There are two vans at my Clubhouse that desperatley need washing. I've drew a bunch of graffiti on the two vans. I've been known to steal food, on various occasions. When the Club throws a Christmas party, I'll sneak a Mandarin Orange or an Apple to tide me over, until the Finger Food comes out. I've sat down in the Dining Room at the same place, and one of the more wacked-out Members served me a plate of food, and I didn't even pay. I've graciousley took the food. I've gotten in trouble for it, and I've replied, "That's why they call me the Cockney Rebel." I was at my Sister's Wedding, and I was craving a nice cup of Tea. I've snuck into the Heritage House and made myself some. There were two other people in the Kitchen with me. One of them ate a couple of Buns. I'm always breaking the rules, no matter where I am. I don't do it on purpose. It just happens!

I download music for free Tim.

I follow most rules, and silently protest the ones I don't like. Like that time I wore slippers through airport security (To protest the checking of shoes). I have also sent expletive-filled e-mails to a certain US government agency responsible for airport security.

I've sort of stolen food, too. I won't steal from a store, because it is far too easy to get caught. I got caught when I was younger, and that sort of was enough of that.

There was, at the college I used to go to, rooms where they held large conferences. If you could get into the room just before or right after the conferences, there was either food that has been prepared or food that was left over. As far as the food being left over, well the college staff gave it all to the higher-ups, so I didn't care at all if I stole it. I ended up grabbing nearly half of a ten-foot hoagie at one time. I managed to get four slices of pizza. All sorts of things. Lots of soda and juice left over that people didn't drink. Tons of salad leftovers. I found this out only because those rooms were hardly ever used with the exception of conferences, and I used to study up there so often. It's not even a place where students are supposed to be, but hell ... it was better than like getting kicked out of a bunch of classrooms in like three hours because professors needed to teach. I truly believe that one could actually live up there. There was at least one to two conferences every day, and there were six rooms. At least one room tended to be empty most of the time. The thing about stealing the food, though, is you had to make a pretty quick run for it before all the janitorial people came in to clean it all up. So, you had to be up there and wait for the meeting to end. Then, when everyone was out, you just go in and grab whatever is left over. I always left a lot of stuff there, primarily to bring no suspicion ... but I doubt if the college would even worry about it.

- Ray M -

I agree that there is somewhat of a contradiction regarding rules and aspie behavior. Most aspies tend to be libertarians, politically speaking. This would mean that they are heavily anti-authoritarian to a large degree and believe in self-preservation. This tends to contradict some stuff I have read, where aspies are supposed to be rigid and rule-based. You would think, by reading some of this stuff, that an aspie would become the next world's dictator. I used to think that Hitler may have been an aspie, due primarily to a variety of reasons I heard about on the History Channel about his personality. I'm not so sure of that, though, given what I have heard from aspies themselves.

I think aspies want structure and routine, and not so much power and self-preservation. I think there are those aspies that do want power and self-preservation, but I would tend to think that is not so much the asperger's as it was how they were brought up. One needs to remember that asperger traits can sometimes perplex parents. If these parents are not understanding of aspergers, then the child will not be readily understood, and this can cause a downward spiral. Aspies in this situation may become very dominant and power hungry in relationships. I tend not to think that is the case with many aspies in the future, probably less so.

Rules provide structure, but some rules can also make it seem chaotic. A lot of people whom call themselves anti-authoritarian are probably looking for a better world with better rules and to throw old the old world of authority. Many of these people tend to see a lot of the current institutions as extremely dominating and very callous, but they may end up bringing with them a new set of rules that will be in place. All organizations need some sort of order.

- Ray M -

A lot of this food would have been thrown out instead of being donated to shelters...thats the real crime

Maybe it depends on the website. I haven't downloaded music in years, and it was before Napster got into so much trouble, and I haven't really looked into it since then.

Tim

When I go to an all you can eat place (not very often, I don’t really like them) I almost always “steal” some food, mainly cookies, because it says all you can eat but that doesn’t necessary mean all you can eat right there; pulse it’s a ripe off for me to eat there because I can’t eat a lot in one sitting, so I’m just getting my moneys worth.

Also I can’t really afford to buy CDs so I don’t see it as wrong to have people burn free music for me. Since I’m not going to buy it anyway, why shouldn’t I be able to listen to music?

Take it from someone who tried to make a living making music, That's Stealing! Screw the big record companies ... it's the musicians who are hurt by the practice of stealing music from us.


It falls under the intellectual property rights laws, since it is considered software. You shouldn't listen to stolen music because it does not belong to you. When your friend buys a CD he doesn't own "the music", he buys a right to use one copy of that music for personal use only.

The CD itself has no real value. It's the music which is the creative part, requiring a license to use. Any additional copies he makes are not licensed and therefore illegal. The big gray area is those who buy a CD and rip it to their computers are making a copy, and if they then sell the CD they are selling their license to use any copies they have made. To "stay legal", after selling a CD you should erase any other copies you have made.

These issues have been hotly contested recently in the courts. I'm merely summarizing what I have gleened from other music related sites which I contribute to.

Back to topic:

I'm more of a rule follower if the rules make sense, just like everyone else I guess. If the rules don't, I usually just ignore them. Some are rule changers, but I don't really care about that.

see, what you just said, dirtdawg, is a good example of a rule that doesn't make sense to me and which i therefore dont follow.

logically, if i am not going to buy an artists album, whether because i dont like it that much or i cant afford it, then in real terms it makes no difference to that artist whether i obtain an unauthorised copy, as i have no intention of buying it anyway. the only tangible thing that would be affected is whether or not i listen to said music.

although i obviously see the possibility of situations where persons may not buy an album simply because they can download it and save the money, even when they can afford to buy it and would do so without the facility to download it.

and dont get me wrong, when i can afford to buy music i do, i have a huge collection of vinyl and cds. but when i can't afford to buy music, like right now, for instance, i have no qualms about downloading it.

and then there is the situation also of older music, who owns rights to the recordings, who gets the royalties and suchlike.

there are other factors too. for instance i will be more likely to purchase music i like if it is on an indie label than a major, and i buy a lot of used vinyl too.

sorry if i drifted slightly off topic...

WOW.....I am starting to feel kind of bad about my jaded criminal past,I thought there would be more real criminals here....lol

haha i wouldn't worry too much krex. i have also done most of the things you mentioned in your original post. i mean where would we be without a little bit of ritual transgression in our younger years?

I thought everyone would like that one. I also don't expect anyone to understand how it works if they haven't been in the business.

I'll be glad when the labels are out of the picture. I would love to go on to the website of any artist and buy high resolution, uncompressed downloads of just my favorite material and not have to pay for a bunch of advertising and packaging.

As far as older material, it 'belongs to someone' for 75 years. Ask Michael Jackson if he was glad to have purchased the Beatles catalog when he got into legal troubles and had to liquidate some of it. Old music is a gold mine, even with all the criminal activity tearing into your profits.

yes well i do understand how it works to a degree, just don't really agree with it generally.

michael is a good example of what i meant. i mean if you're a big fan of the beatles, and want to buy legit copies of all their material, the fact that for a good while michael jackson was seeing the royalties rather than any of the beatles is not really going to encourage you not to just download their catalogue. although the beatles are maybe not the best example, as they all made a fairly decent living off their work.

but there are a lot of lesser known artists who see nothing of the royalties on their work. true, they maybe made the choice to sell the rights to their work at the time, but the fact that a lot of royalties go to faceless corporations is not really going to encourage any fan to shell out the money for music, if you know what i mean. i feel there are a lot of problems with the concept of intelectual property as it stands at the moment.

and i totally agree with your point about labels, especially the majors. although there are quite a few indie labels who are known to have fleeced artists out of money too, right enough.

i always thought this article by the producer steve albini was quite an eye opener about the music business.

http://negativland.com/albini.html

Our cat is a good example of the way I think. He has a routine of sorts. It's his routine, he invented it, he's happy with it. He'll only interact with the rest of us if it suits him. He doesn't like being touched by strangers at al, but will put up with his favourite couple of people touching him. If I tell him to sit, stay, come here, lie down etc he will totally ignore me. He probably can't see the point, as it doesn't have any useful outcome for him, as he prefers his routine to my requests. If something really unexpected happens, he panicks, and has been known to try to bite or claw during any such panic.

I guess Aspie people are like cats in some way, or vice versa.