The fifth column

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True but while they need us they treat us very badly in return for our help. They need us but do we need them?

Will the new aspie zionists be known as aspienists?

An autistic/aspie nation isn't ever going to happen, so we have nothing to worry about. We're very much part of society, even if we are usually on the fringes.

How about we shorten it to penists?

You're not shortening mine!

yes.

there are a lot of jobs that most autistics are not good at or don't like to do. There are also situations that require broad unfocused or seemingly illogical thoughts. I notice that on farms in my area with a lot animals they need to do some pretty weird things to keep the animals happy and teachers in soem schools don''t aways go about things 'by the book' to deal with so many different students... and yes even tough we are all AS we are all evry different. we cannot have just a few people doing these jobs and then the rest all doing the same types of jobs. also jobs such as a cashier could drive you crazy

It is not a bad idea to have an island i am just saying in my mind it probably won't work. I would love to have an island full of people that understand me and think like me but not all autistics think alike or agree with other autistics.

We need NTs as much as they need us. besides there are a lot of good NTs in the world. wouldn't want to punish them for what a couple of stupid ones did.

Wouldnt have to completely disallow all NTs per say simply agree on a place to live near each other.

As for jobs a lot of us do jobs that we arent particularly good at and dont like same as NTs.

Just because it might be difficult for us doesnt mean we cant do it (not to mention most processes are keyed for NT thinking.. redesign the process for the way aspies work and its not a problem).

Like a cashier.. turn off the damn bell and beeping and its fine.. the people who will apply for the job would need to be decent in math if they arent why would they apply for the job? Not to mention the register does the math for you these days.

As far as the interacting with others part thats all pretty much scripted already and if your customers are primarily aspies also it shouldnt be much of a problem.

I think what most ASD people really want is just a place they can go where things are tailored to fit them instead of NTs.

What that would entail is another topic.. but hey we're creative so it shouldnt be too much trouble.

An Asperger's uprising may sound attractive in the short term but what about long-term repercussions? What if such an uprising fails? Aspies would be persecuted far more ruthlessly than today, maybe even killed for the diagnosis. Fifth column advocacy is not something to talk about lightly.

I know this is off-topic, but am I the only one who thinks that society would be just fine without AS:ers? I mean, people with AS are extremly few, and even if they have important jobs(which is a can of delusions of grandeur in itself), humans are remarkably adaptable. Maybe you were joking or using hyperbole, but if you truly believe that, goddamnit, get help.

As for the topic, I am a firm believer in that people can get along depsite diffrences in brain patterns, skin color or religion, and I don't get the people who aren't.

Maybe, but society would also be well-off without alcoholics, drug users, psychopaths, politicians, lawyers, terrorists, religious fundamentalists, racists, etc.

(I forgot what my point was)

Fraya---I geuss i can see your point now that it is with NTs. i still wouldn't like it because i've noticed on islands it is hard to find privacy... but it would make A lot more sense if we only reject certain mean NTs. i still don't think it would work because a lot of the meaner NTs i met have been very intellegent and do their jobs better then anyone else(or they are lazy morons it could go either way).

I think the way it is now would work fine and all we need to do is make people(as kids because this is when the problem normally starts) understand what AS is(social problems) and that it is not a murderer pedaphile wife beater thing(someone really has to teach people this one.). but then again some people are always going to be ignorant when it comes to dealing with Autism, just like there are still ignorant people towards blacks and homosexuals and women and so many other groups.

i was really thinking about giving out change... at my job i have always been bad at that. i am good at math but i get nervous about making mistakes and wind up making mistakes because i am worried .... and yes it would be much better without the beeping

The biggest thing that comes to mind with some sort of aspie uprising (and believe me, I'm all for the whole Fight The Man! thing) is the probability that everyone'd get distracted and wander off and then lose interest.
Reminds of this Bill Hicks thing, the antisocial club motto: Damn, we almost had a meeting.

Thinking that your point may be valid in some ways.

One group of people comes to mind, who have had special considerations offered to them for forty years, along with a campaign for enhanced awareness of their situations, even laws enacted for their specific rights aside from everyone else's, and a few other concessions of various sorts to make way for them.

Are they any better off than they were before? I don't really know, but maybe we could ask someone confined to a wheel chair how all the extra "good treatment" is going for them, as they try to live among the rest of the world. Are they satisfied with the degree of acceptance they have attained in the real world? Do they feel that no more prejudice against them exists?

I doubt it. I also doubt that a similar set of concessions made for our benefit would actually improve anything for us.

The point of disability rights laws is not "extra good treatment," but more removal of barriers that exist because society was not built for us in the first place. (And said laws apply to autistic people just as much as they do to wheelchair users, although they're more often enforced for wheelchair users.) Things like that only look like "special treatment" when they are viewed from the lens of "the way things were before was just fine".

Also, "not as good as things could be" is not the same as "not better". Most chair users I know (as well as other disabled people) are glad of the ADA (the American law), although think it could stand improvement. I use a wheelchair myself and am certainly glad that I can at least get into most buildings. I am also glad that the law has made it easier for some people with, for instance, developmental disabilities, to decide they want to move out of institutions and actually pull it off in a good way.

Laws are never perfect, nor is this particular law the end-all and be-all of the disability rights movement (and both enforcing it and convincing people of its necessity is still a constant battle), but it's certainly better than things were before.

I would not like to move to an island where the male to female ratio is so squewed .
I think that most Nt s are just unaware of the way that they treat those on the spectrum I have seen them treat each other the same way. I know that I take things the wrong way and that is not my fault nor is it the nts fault.

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I don't think NT's treat aspies any differently than they treat anyone else, its just our reaction thats different.

Go back and look at how aspies treat each other in here. I think aspies treat each other worse than NT's.