autism and heavy metals/vaccinations etc - is this correct?
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Autism is a genetic difference. There are different "autistic" genes and people can have a combination. One of the genes - the MTHFR gene - is different in many, not all, autistics. This gene protects against poisoning from the environment. Many autistics, and many non-autistic people as well, suffer from a buildup of poisons, such as heavy metals, from the every day environment. This is wrongfully being called "autism". Autism is not an illness, but many autistics are ill due to this poisoning. It is this poisoning which needs to be cured and stopped. The autistic genes are not bad, a properly functioning autistic is different but not ill. There are many many examples of autistics being cured of this poisoning and going on to function well. People say that the "detoxification" cured, or almost entirely cured, the autism. It didn't - it cured the poisoning. People need to distinguish between autism and poisoning. They should not call the poisoning, or the effects of the poisoning autism.
True, and they probably should not refer to severe brain damage as mental retardation, as those are different things. One is a disorder, and one is an injury.
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Actually, research has found (not conclusive yet, unfortunately) that the overall autism rate has been stable, diagnoses have increased:
This news story talks about it:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/autis ... .htmlstory
The conclusion: 1% of people living in British households had some form of autism, roughly the same rate that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates for children in America today.
The British study found it didn't matter whether the adults were in their 20s or their 80s. The rate of autism was the same for both groups.
“That would seem to imply the incidence has not changed very much,” said Dr. Terry Brugha, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Leicester who led the study. He added that the findings were not conclusive and more research is needed.
Autism is a genetic difference. There are different "autistic" genes and people can have a combination. One of the genes - the MTHFR gene - is different in many, not all, autistics. This gene protects against poisoning from the environment. Many autistics, and many non-autistic people as well, suffer from a buildup of poisons, such as heavy metals, from the every day environment. This is wrongfully being called "autism". Autism is not an illness, but many autistics are ill due to this poisoning. It is this poisoning which needs to be cured and stopped. The autistic genes are not bad, a properly functioning autistic is different but not ill. There are many many examples of autistics being cured of this poisoning and going on to function well. People say that the "detoxification" cured, or almost entirely cured, the autism. It didn't - it cured the poisoning. People need to distinguish between autism and poisoning. They should not call the poisoning, or the effects of the poisoning autism.
True, and they probably should not refer to severe brain damage as mental retardation, as those are different things. One is a disorder, and one is an injury.
well I said "retardation" on purpose you see... because that's what a lot of people see autism as... but brain damage is more apt to describe deposits of metal destroying the brain.
Regardless I was under the impression that ret*d is/was an official term to describe someone with an IQ below 70, perhaps now hijacked to being offensive by people using it as an insult
Well I didn't mean to offend so I'm sorry
Last edited by arnoldism on 24 Jan 2012, 11:51 am, edited 1 time in total.
Actually, research has found (not conclusive yet, unfortunately) that the overall autism rate has been stable, diagnoses have increased:
This news story talks about it:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/autis ... .htmlstory
The conclusion: 1% of people living in British households had some form of autism, roughly the same rate that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates for children in America today.
The British study found it didn't matter whether the adults were in their 20s or their 80s. The rate of autism was the same for both groups.
“That would seem to imply the incidence has not changed very much,” said Dr. Terry Brugha, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Leicester who led the study. He added that the findings were not conclusive and more research is needed.
I do think not to focus 100% on vaccinations though. They are just one example of foreign pollutants being directly injected. but looking at all pollutants which enter the body - which have been around for a long time - how do autistic people react to them? How do people with different MTHFR gene react? What about other detoxifying genes? Are these genes different in a large number of autistic people? Do a larger percentage of autistic people have problems detoxifying? Why does detoxification therapy "improve autism" in so many cases? Are autistic people more sensitive to things e.g. car fumes? Asthma?
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Autism is a genetic difference. There are different "autistic" genes and people can have a combination. One of the genes - the MTHFR gene - is different in many, not all, autistics. This gene protects against poisoning from the environment. Many autistics, and many non-autistic people as well, suffer from a buildup of poisons, such as heavy metals, from the every day environment. This is wrongfully being called "autism". Autism is not an illness, but many autistics are ill due to this poisoning. It is this poisoning which needs to be cured and stopped. The autistic genes are not bad, a properly functioning autistic is different but not ill. There are many many examples of autistics being cured of this poisoning and going on to function well. People say that the "detoxification" cured, or almost entirely cured, the autism. It didn't - it cured the poisoning. People need to distinguish between autism and poisoning. They should not call the poisoning, or the effects of the poisoning autism.
True, and they probably should not refer to severe brain damage as mental retardation, as those are different things. One is a disorder, and one is an injury.
well I said "retardation" on purpose you see... because that's what a lot of people see autism as... but brain damage is more apt to describe deposits of metal destroying the brain.
Regardless I was under the impression that ret*d is/was an official term to describe someone with an IQ below 70, perhaps now hijacked to being offensive by people using it as an insult
I know people seem to think retardation and autism is the same thing, which is rather annoying. But yeah from my understanding mental retardation is a mental disability with genetic factors and I don't think most mentally ret*d people started out normal. Also one requirement for it is an IQ below 70 but at the same time IQ tests can be inaccurate so a diagnoses of mental retardation probably could not be based on that alone.
But yeah though severe brain damage caused by heavy metals or whatever else could cause symptoms similar to mental retardation but it's still just brain damage.
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well yeah. I came across (reading online) loads of parents saying that they had normal children (many of whom were actually very smart and advanced for their age) and then all of a sudden their children became autistic, introverted, didn't speak etc (some straight after a vaccination). And that after the diagnosis they tried experemental therapies etc. Some said that they got their children tested and abnormally high metal contents were found in their systems and that their "autism improved" after detoxification. Combined with my research into the MTHFR gene it doesn't take a genius to link together that maybe autistic's genetic difference can make them vulnerable to poisoning, and that this poisoning is wrongfully being called autism.
There are loads of examples, you can google, youtube etc, and see parents who have "detoxified" their autistic children and as they say "improved their child's autism". Detoxification is a current therapy for autism. They say that it is treating the autism, but it clearly isn't, it's treating the poisons.
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=autism ... 29&bih=923
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=autism ... 29&bih=923
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The thing that's really confusing me is that everyone is saying that the detox is a cure/therapy/treatment/intervention etc for autism. It doesn't make sense. It's clearly an intervention to the poisoning autistics are susceptible to, unless I'm severely missing something here..
well I have to go now but I'll talk about this more tomorrow if you like
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Quackwatch talks about this stuff as well:
It seems when talking about detoxification of autistic children, that it's referring to removal of heavy metals, or chelation:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRel ... toxic.html
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRel ... ation.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromo ... rosal.html
And here's an overview of detoxification:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRel ... rview.html
As far as more Dx's, that is because of increased awareness. When I was a kid, Autistic meant "Tommy" from the Who's rock opera of the same name. Only severely withdrawn/unresponsive cases. And also considered hopeless. I'm pretty sure my family was in denial for several years. After all, I regained my speech..
I read that guy's book on vaccinations. I don't think there is any conclusive evidence that has supported his hypothesis. Yet, anyway.
I also read the "Leaky Gut" Hypothesis (by the same author???Anyone know?). As I have had Inflammatory Bowel Disease & its complications, most of my life, there might be something to this. Or maybe the two share the same enviromental trigger.
I can comfortably say here: No one Knows For Sure. Docs hate this phrase!
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Matt
ok thanks, perhaps too quick to say "heavy metals" rather than other things also, there are many examples though of vaccinations causing various effects to some people. And many cases where the effect is called autism.
Vaccination injuries are certainly not remotely controversial, but I am doubtful that it causes an autism-like effect.
there are A LOT of parents out there saying that their kids were fine and then were autistic after their vaccinations
Alot of times autism is noticed after the child turns 2.
Stress, illness, etc. can make autistic symptoms more severe.
Poor Arnold, you need to realise why people are lying, and why people believe those lies.... many lies you will find yes young Luke
http://www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html
Most people are not as insightful as you, and will react to alternative views with disdain. This will drain your reserves if you are susceptible
When you challenge the status quo be prepared to encounter conflict. This is normal today
Any life form thrives in ideal conditions, and suffers in less than ideal. I agree autistics are not as tough as NT, and compromised durability.... this is obvious if you place them side by side.
Save yourself and find/create an ideal environment for you and your sensitive genes. Should you wish to reproduce, through effort you can improve your genetic code - considerably. Detoxification, is found in many places and disguises, yes
Shame about the orca's though, no where to run and hide in the organic soup/ocean....
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/ ... -orcas.htm
This is my quote from my website.
"Vaccinations
People with the MTHFR deficiency sometimes have problems clearing metals. There are many toxic preservatives in vaccinations. Thimerasol and aluminum are found in many vaccinations. They can cause serious problems to someone with an MTHFR gene mutation. Thimerasol (mercury) and aluminum are known to deplete b vitamins. A person with MTHFR has trouble clearing metals. Mercury and aluminum absorb what b vitamins are in the body."
Vaccines do cause autism in some people. Autism is a fancy word for heavy metal toxicty during brain developmentation.
You don't give a diabetic a pound of sugar and expect a positive outcome.
You don't give a child with MTHFR formaldahyde, thimerasol, aluminum and dental amalgam fillings just to name a few and expect a positive outcome.
And yes 3mcg of thimerasol (mercury) is still being put in some vaccinations. CDC.gov has a list what is going in the vaccinations. I could not post the link because I am a new member.
It is a fact that with the MTHFR gene mutation, synthetic b vitamins can jam the methylation pathway and can do more harm than good. I myself avoid all foods fortified with synthetic b vitamins. So if your active b's are jammed and not working, you have problems producing glutathione. Glutathione is what clears the metals from the body. Once glutathione is depleted, disease sets in.
Example: Cyanocobalamin (cyanide phosphate 3') is being put in our food and is the b12 injection most given. It is proven that cyanocobalamin does not fight oxidative stress in someone with the MTHFR gene mutation. I do have scientific documentation to prove this but cannot post the link because I am a new member.
So here is a scenario: Baby is born to a mother who has amalgam fillings and was taking a prenatal with synthetic b's in it. MTHFR gene mutation is there. Father also passed on a mutation to child as well. 1/2 of the baby's glutathione has already been depleted. Now we deplete more glutathione that the young child cannot produce because of a methylation jam due to synthetic b vitamins with a big fat multiple injection of aluminum, thimerasol and formaldahyde which people with MTHFR cannot clear. Now the child is developing ADHD and not learning well. Might I add that the child's body fat has now stored the maximum amount of toxins and metals and now these toxins and metals are storing in the fatty tissues of organs (metals love fatty brain tissue). 2 years later the child is due for other vaccinations and Mommy is feeding the child fluoridated water(proven to deplete glutathione), high fructose corn syrup (proven to deplete glutathione) and gave them acetametophen (depletes glutathione by up to 84%). Now the child is 5 years old and going to get a Hep B vaccination and the child has nearly depleted all their glutathione. Mommy brings child home and notices a high fever. A few days later, child develops breathing issues. Child is rushed to the hospital and diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism (very common in MTHFR C677T). The doctors run tests and come back to tell mommy that the child has MTHFR and lets put them on folgard. Very bad idea. Folgard contains synthetic b's which consist of formaldahyde, coal tar residue and cyanide phosphate 3' (higer than the "norm" levels of cyanide have been found in MTHFR enzyme deficiency). So now the child starts hallucinating and banging their head in the wall and avoiding eye contact with parents. BAM! Toxins+Metals+depleted glutathione before complete brain developmentation=autism.
I get emails like this every day.
When you are planning to have a child, know your MTHFR status and your spouse's. Make sure to take a prenatal without synthetic b's,. Also take additional folate (not to be mistaken with synthetic folic), methylcobalmin, p5p (if tolerated) and TMG. Make sure you do not have any amalgam fillings. Eat all organic and try to buy organic cleaning supplies and toiletry items. Stay away from gluten which prevent absorption of water soluable b's. And avoid vaccinations with metal preservatives.
Two: It is mothers who want compensation for their damaged children who believe vaccines cause autism. Doctors don't believe it. Maybe a few do but they are not the majority.
Three: What about children with autism with intellectual disability who were not vaccinated?
Autism, originally, was a very disabling condition. With that condition first being called autism we would not have the higher functioning form, the so-called 'difference.' And if it is not a disorder why get diagnosed with it? Name me one other neurological disorder people get diagnosed with that isn't impairing.
hello
1. Yes this wasn't originally for you but I think if you copy and paste the quotes into google you'd see the sources, they are however not unique quotes, similar ones are well known and are everywhere, that is why I chose them and why I didn't feel the need to link sources
2. I believe that most do not know what autism is, it's not just about vaccinations - any child who is ret*d and introverted they shout "AUTISM!!" - These are people who present themselves as respectable speakers on the subject and are taken for respectable speakers by the mass of people who listen and believe what they are saying.
3. Yes I believe that autism is a different development to varying degrees of relative functionality but does not necessarily mean retardation or even a disability, I also believe that many things are wrongfully being classified as autism when they are in fact something else
"Name me one other neurological disorder people get diagnosed with that isn't impairing"
I believe that one of the symptoms of Neurotypical Syndrome is feeding the ego via irrational conformism and counterbalancing with discrimination and persecution, here is the single one example you asked for but there are many more: -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... psychology
"In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder"
Hi.
Quit saying ret*d. You're using it correctly but it's still an offensive term.
There is no Neurotyoical syndrome. NT's have no problem integrating into society.
Homosexuality is a sexual preference, autism is a developmental disorder.
You're annoying. I'm leaving.
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Here is an example I've seen over the internet
1. A parent has an autistic child (I speculate here but I'm sure autism is genetic so..), the child develops more or less normally
2. The child suddenly stops developing around 1-2 years old
3. The parent realises their child is different and takes the child to the doctor
4. The child is diagnosed with autism
5. In her quest to cure the autism and to try out all of the different therapies available, the mother visits a doctor who tells her that autistics have trouble with foreign pollutants, she takes her child to be examined, the child is found to have large amounts of heavy metals in its system.
6. The child is given detoxification therapy, not only are the heavy metals removed but multiple therapies for all kinds of detoxification are carried out, even the child's diet is changed
7. The "autism" is "almost completely cured" shortly after the therapy - the removal of the metals in the child's system, the diet changes etc.
From what I've read so far - and only from what I've read so far - the real life example I'm aware of (of the woman with the autistic child, who said the MMR gave her child autism) is looking to me like it could have gone like this: -
1. A parent has a child, the child is autistic, very bright, and the parent doesn't even realise the child is autistic
2. The child gets a vaccination, because of their genetic difference the child does not properly process the foreign pollutants and these cause damage, including damage to the brain, stunting development
3. The parent realises something has happened to their child and takes it to the doctor
4. The child is diagnosed with autism, the doctor tells her that the MMR jab caused the autism, the symptoms of the poisoning are wrongfully classed as symptoms of autism
From what I've seen so far I believe it's also quite a feasible hypothesis that the children in both examples do not have any of the autistic genes whatsoever and that they are genetically "neurotypical" except for the genes which detoxify. That "autism" is actually a label covering not only a large range of different genes but also of the effects of environmental poisoning and brain damage, all of which may occur together or separately. This explains the ridiculous scale of "the autistic spectrum", why there is strong evidence that "autism" is genetic, but also why people can say that their brain was oxygen starved causing "autism", that an MMR jab caused "autism", that some autistics do not have genes which have been isolated as being autistic genes etc. It's a label covering two different things - a genetic difference (in which multiple "autistic" genes may be present or not to varying degrees) and brain damage - the genetic difference, depending on the functioning of some specific individual genes, being more susceptible, but not unique, to receiving this type of damage.
It's like people are saying - that autism is a genetic difference but also that environmental factors are involved. This makes sense if the two separate, albeit linked things - the genetic difference and the environmental poisoning - are being lumped together as "autism!" It seems to me there's evidence that a series of fine genetic differences, sadly come with the possibility of other genes not functioning as well, including an increased chance of detoxifying genes not working in the current environment, degrading the ability to process certain poisons, causing many to be damaged by a poisonous environment. I will have to look into it more though.
People are trying to find "autism risk genes", people are saying that "detoxification therapy helps to defeat autism", people are discussing "whether pre-scanning for autism and abortion is ethical to end the suffering of autistics", but these people can't pinpoint the "autistic genes" because although there are similarities in many autistics, there are even more differences between them, they don't understand the link between genetic and environmental factors... I don't know, this all looks suspicious to me....
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