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15 May 2012, 1:45 pm

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Ravenclawgurl: it didn't give a full scale iq- some other replies say this is because my results were too varied to calculate it



It's not that it can't be calculated, it's just that FSIQ doesn't mean much when subtest and index scatter is that great. Like I said if it matters to you your IQ would fall in the 90-100 range which is average for the population.



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15 May 2012, 2:08 pm

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It's not that it can't be calculated, it's just that FSIQ doesn't mean much when subtest and index scatter is that great. Like I said if it matters to you your IQ would fall in the 90-100 range which is average for the population.


No, it doesn't matter to me at all, i was just trying to answer someone else's question. when I was a little kid everyone always told me I was really clever, based on the fact I could do quite difficult math really easily and learnt to read and spell much earlier than other kids in my class. Even back then I knew they were wrong, I didn't think I was stupid either, just average. But it was always expected i would get As in every subject so I just worked harder and harder to meet their expectations. That didn't do me any favours though because the pressure got too much for me and I ended up having some kind of mental breakdown as a teenager.



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15 May 2012, 4:19 pm

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Ravenclawgurl: it didn't give a full scale iq- some other replies say this is because my results were too varied to calculate it

Callista: what you wrote sounds exactly like me! I wish they had sent it how you wrote it, then I would have understood what it meant straight away.

I don't know why I scored so low on processing speed, i found those tests quite easy and didn't feel like I was answering slowly at all. Also I think I would have scored higher on the block test if it wasn't the first one I did. I was nervous about being there and my hands were shaking a bit. I completed them slowly not because my brain didn't know which way to turn and place each block, but because my hands were just not co-operating!

Can I ask one other question please? Would results like these indicate I have dyslexia? I ask because that is the reason my tutor originally refered me for testing, as I was failing badly at written assignments despite knowing the subject very well. e.g I got 93% in a multiple choice question paper but only 48% on an essay style one, in the same subject. In those kind it takes me so long to work out what information I need to answer with, then put it into sentences before I can start writing my answer. In my last exam like this I only managed to write 1 piece of A4 paper in 2 hours.

I personally don't think I have dyslexia. I have read about it and it doesn't sound like me (that was how I found out about aspergers, which does sound like me, and eventually found this website) but my tutor was really insistant that I should get tested anyway. So do these results show I have dyslexia or not or something else? At my university you need to have dyslexia or something similar to get any help from the learning support workers and DSA or extra times in exams.

I'm not sure, but here's a quotation from here (page 19, first paragraph)
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Some have an artful ability to convey their own thoughts in writing based on their own interests and perspective if they are able to create written work free from others’ guidelines and expectations. For example, they may write a pretty good science fiction fantasy story but can’t produce an essay assigned by the classroom teacher. This can be very frustrating to the teacher, parent, and student alike as there is often a discrepancy between self-­‐generated written expression based on a student’s area of interest versus completing homework assignments requiring the student to take perspective of the teacher’s expectations, etc.

Your issue sounds more like you have difficulties with collecting your thoughts, following the guidelines, and / or seeing the teacher's perspective. If you are slow at writing it can make it more difficult, too.



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15 May 2012, 6:03 pm

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It's not that it can't be calculated, it's just that FSIQ doesn't mean much when subtest and index scatter is that great. Like I said if it matters to you your IQ would fall in the 90-100 range which is average for the population.


No, it doesn't matter to me at all, i was just trying to answer someone else's question. when I was a little kid everyone always told me I was really clever, based on the fact I could do quite difficult math really easily and learnt to read and spell much earlier than other kids in my class. Even back then I knew they were wrong, I didn't think I was stupid either, just average. But it was always expected i would get As in every subject so I just worked harder and harder to meet their expectations. That didn't do me any favours though because the pressure got too much for me and I ended up having some kind of mental breakdown as a teenager.


Dorfin you have to remember that the IQ and everything you did in school was designed for the general population. These tests weren't made for us. Your intelligence can't be measured accurately with tests that were made for NTs, When I was a I went through the same thing you did except my 'breakdown' lasted for 8 years where my behavior led everyone to believe I'm a psychopath. I'm glad the score doesn't matter to you because just from talking to you I can tell you're much more intelligent than your IQ score.



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15 May 2012, 8:48 pm

I can't say anything about dyslexia because there wasn't any test of reading ability on there. If you scored low on reading comprehension tests, that could be because you're a slow reader due to dyslexia--or because you can read just fine, but take a while to think about the text and answer the questions. Anybody's guess there. You know yourself best.

Regardless, there should be a "learning disorder NOS" category, for miscellaneous learning disorders that aren't specifically dyslexia, dysgraphia, dyscalculia. If they can't give you a specific diagnosis, they can just tag you with "not otherwise specified" and get you into the system that way. Having a slow processing speed is a real problem and one they should legally be required to help you with. They won't give you any advantages, but they should be required to adjust your education so that your weaknesses don't hinder you from learning things in totally unrelated areas, as is usually the case with a learning disability.


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16 May 2012, 3:35 pm

Update- I had the meeting with the learning support worker today and got a copy of the full report from the Educational psychologist. It said I don't have dyslexia just a specific learning difficulty (SpLD) related to speed of processing and language areas. They are going to try and get permission for me to repeat the year without penalty and extra time allowances for assessments. Also going to apply for DSA so I can have one to one sessions once a week to help with studying.

It also recommended that I see a Speech and language therapist for help with socialization and communication difficulties, and be referred to a clinical psychologist for a more detailed assessment as these difficulties are likely to impact on everyday situations and not just academic work.



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16 May 2012, 3:43 pm

dorfin wrote:
Update- I had the meeting with the learning support worker today and got a copy of the full report from the Educational psychologist. It said I don't have dyslexia just a specific learning difficulty (SpLD) related to speed of processing and language areas. They are going to try and get permission for me to repeat the year without penalty and extra time allowances for assessments. Also going to apply for DSA so I can have one to one sessions once a week to help with studying.

It also recommended that I see a Speech and language therapist for help with socialization and communication difficulties, and be referred to a clinical psychologist for a more detailed assessment as these difficulties are likely to impact on everyday situations and not just academic work.


How do you feel about their assessment and recommendations Dorfin?



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16 May 2012, 4:22 pm

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How do you feel about their assessment and recommendations Dorfin?


I'm not really sure what to think right now, I just keep reading it through over and over- each time I understand a new bit of it!

I think I am quite happy with it because it does read like they did understand me and what problems I have. If thats right, it will be the first time anyone ever has in my whole life.

The part I am not happy about is saying I need to see other people. I really hate having to talk to new people and trying to explain things. Also I'm not sure what speech and language therapists do. I thought they worked only with kids or maybe people who had strokes. Same with the psychologist and they might decide that I am a crazy person.



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16 May 2012, 5:04 pm

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How do you feel about their assessment and recommendations Dorfin?


I'm not really sure what to think right now, I just keep reading it through over and over- each time I understand a new bit of it!

I think I am quite happy with it because it does read like they did understand me and what problems I have. If thats right, it will be the first time anyone ever has in my whole life.

The part I am not happy about is saying I need to see other people. I really hate having to talk to new people and trying to explain things. Also I'm not sure what speech and language therapists do. I thought they worked only with kids or maybe people who had strokes. Same with the psychologist and they might decide that I am a crazy person.


I was kind of surprised that they made these recommendations. Not that they're wrong, just because I grew up in a time when this kind of help just wasn't available. I was really just interested in knowing if you agree with their assessment of your difficulties. If you think they've described you accurately I think you're in a great position. One of my biggest problems in life has been asking for and accepting help because I don't trust anyone but I learned sometimes you have to accept help no matter how uncomfortable it is. Just remember that you won't be starting from scratch with new people you see because they will have access to your current records and reports. Also, they won't think you're crazy :P



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17 May 2012, 1:32 pm

I'm really glad you got a label that'll help you. Welcome to the wonderful confusing world of arranging accommodations. :roll:

Seriously, though, there really is a learning curve associated with figuring out how to take advantage of the assistance you get with a learning disability label. If you can state your problem clearly, suggest solutions, and get advice from others, that's a good start. Oh--see if you can talk to some of the special ed teachers, especially the ones that work with those kids with specific learning disabilities of all sorts. Ask what kinds of things they tend to do to help people learn, and see if any of that would be helpful for you. Having more time for things is probably something you should definitely ask for--also look into whether taking tests alone in a small room (possibly with a person or camera monitoring for cheating) would be helpful for you; it would be if you are easily distracted or easily lose track of what you're doing. Another thing to ask for could be having all instructions put down in simple, small steps so that you can follow the steps one-by-one without getting lost; and having permission to have instructions and questions clarified for you when you take tests.


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17 May 2012, 4:34 pm

Rascal 77s: I don't think it was available when I grew up either ( I was at school in the 80s and early 90s) or maybe it was and I was just unaware of it. Certainly I never thought to ask for any kind of help back then. When I went back to college 3 years ago, a tutor I had did actually recognise I was having problems and offered extra hep and deadline extensions. I turned it down and instead returned to my old habits of pushing myself to work harder. That strategy works in the short term but is unsustainable. By this year I was failing badly so when I was offered help this time (even though the tutor's theory about dyslexia was wrong), I accepted it. Even though on this occasion someone does appear to have understood me to an extent, I am not at all confident it will continue that way, based on many experiences in my past.

Callista: Extra time is definitely something I need. I'm not sure if I would need to be in a separate room. Other people in the room don't usually bother me much as the desks are usually spaced far apart and people shouldn't be talking in an exam anyway. One thing that always distracts me (in all classes, not just exams) is when the windows get opened. If there is a breeze blowing in on me, I get really annoyed and also it lets in the noise from traffic outside too. I'm guessing there isn't anything I can do about that though.
Anyway none of it will matter unless the exam board accepts I had good reason for failing this year and allow me to repeat the year. Also I will need to get funding for it from somewhere too.



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17 May 2012, 8:23 pm

A seat far away from an open window would be a reasonable accommodation in that situation. I'm pretty sure you can't ask that the windows be closed, because if they have to open the windows chances are the room would be too hot if they didn't and that would be just as bad.


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18 May 2012, 11:34 am

dorfin wrote:
Update- I had the meeting with the learning support worker today and got a copy of the full report from the Educational psychologist. It said I don't have dyslexia just a specific learning difficulty (SpLD) related to speed of processing and language areas. They are going to try and get permission for me to repeat the year without penalty and extra time allowances for assessments. Also going to apply for DSA so I can have one to one sessions once a week to help with studying.

It also recommended that I see a Speech and language therapist for help with socialization and communication difficulties, and be referred to a clinical psychologist for a more detailed assessment as these difficulties are likely to impact on everyday situations and not just academic work.


what is DSA?