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23 Sep 2012, 10:25 pm

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Personal attacks are the last resort for people in an argument.

It's one thing to call someone 'stupid' (a personal attack), it's quite another to deconstruct their claims at the points where they use fallacious logic or false data (Debate 101).

It's also very easy.


Well put, forgot to make that distinction.


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23 Sep 2012, 10:28 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:
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Personal attacks are the last resort for people in an argument.
It's one thing to call someone 'stupid' (a personal attack), it's quite another to deconstruct their claims at the points where they use fallacious logic or false data (Debate 101). It's also very easy.
Well put, forgot to make that distinction.

Unfortunately, some folks identify so heavily with their beliefs that they see any form of correction -- or even doubt -- as a personal attack.


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23 Sep 2012, 10:37 pm

I find it funny when people say I am stupid or say other people are stupid when they are the ones who are actually the stupid ones. I don't really see ignorance as stupid. They becomes stupid when they refuse to learn.

I don't find anyone stupid if they didn't know about something such as about a celebrity or something about history. I wonder what does that have to do with intelligence?


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24 Sep 2012, 4:09 pm

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I make fun of them. In my head or behind their backs. I also think of how dumb they are. I wouldn't call them dumb to their face or talk down to them.


That's exactly how I deal with it. Many stupid people tend to respond to any form of criticism with physical and verbal abuse. As much as I'd like to say something, I don't think it's worth the risk. It is often impossible to get through to them anyway.


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24 Sep 2012, 5:22 pm

I've always been unable to suffer fools gladly. This is why I stopped dating. I was just unable to hide enough my frustration at the stupidity of the men and their egos were hurt, so of course nothing would come out of it.

To me, stupidity is adamantly refusing to employ critical thinking. People who do things, even if they limit their potential, because their parents/religious gurus/political figures/favorite media/admired friend/older brother/ex wife told them so.

I'm allergic to that. I was born without the ability to tolerate it and I was never able to develop such tolerance in close relationships.

Eg: if I had a husband and we were never able to travel on holiday to a beach resort because his mother had always told him to "avoid touristic places like the plague", I wouldn't be able to refrain from yelling at him my frustration.

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24 Sep 2012, 6:33 pm

Intelligence needs to be cool again.



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24 Sep 2012, 7:35 pm

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24 Sep 2012, 7:57 pm

I can't stand stupid people it drives me nuts. I call them dumb and dumber, they are the bullies who bully my disabled friends and I with illogical comments which make no sense at all and they constantly contradict whatever they say and be hypercrites and they think or assume they are smart Not. Anyone else out there who accepts me and my friends for who we are and leave us alone who act stupid I do not take any notice of its the ones who constantly want my attention and go out of their way to get me to notice their bullying, stupid, dumb behaviour that I do not like.



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24 Sep 2012, 9:08 pm

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Because most Aspies have a very logical way of thinking, it can be difficult for some to tolerate the ignorance and stupidity of other people.

Now, I understand that the following case is probably very rare but, I once knew an Aspie who was utterly incapable of tolerating others' stupidity. He would often become very frustrated because other people seemed intellectually inferior to him. He was even expelled from school because the perpetual bombardment of stupidity caused him to experience a violent meltdown; resulting in one of his classmates being severely injured.

However, others don't seem to be bothered by it at all.

How do you handle the stupidity of others?


Define "stupidity."


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24 Sep 2012, 10:38 pm

Eh, it depends...kind of a sliding-scale reaction. If I don't know them very well or respect the person, it'll go unremarked, even if I'm feeling incredibly flustered; this usually pertains to helping friends/family members with computer problems over the phone and things of that nature. On the other end of the scale, if I'm too comfortable with the person and lacking in the energy required to conceal my irritation, I'll lose it, especially if I honestly can't comprehend how they could possibly be so damnably stupid about something...like a situation where I'd already explicitly explained how to fix something and yet, one day later, I'm being asked for help on the exact same subject.



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24 Sep 2012, 10:45 pm

I don't have meltdowns or anything like that, but I do have a problem with stupid people, primarily because they make absurd statements, then contridict themselves while saying you're making absurd statements.
And there are also those who honestly think they're the ones making sense when in reality, everything they say has been proven wrong at some point or another.

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2. Do not express contrary opinion. Do not correct errors. Smile and nod, hope the conversation ends soon.


I don't personally think that we should give up expressing our opinions just because someone stupid will go off about them, that's no different than surrendering our individualism to oppressors who would have individualism eradicated. People like that need to get used to the fact that they're not the only ones who can have an opinion, and no-one has to agree with them. They're not God and whether they like it or not, nothing they say is rule.

One thing I'll never give up, is expressing my opinion, I don't care who disagrees with me, it's what I believe, my beliefs tell half of who I am, and people don't see that enough as it is (because of my aspergers). So if they have a problem with it, that's on them, they don't have to listen. But the day we have to give up expression of opinion just to satisfy another group of individuals, is the day we've lost our freedom to speek as individuals, and frankly my friends, that is the day that the world truly ends because there is nothing worse than the oppression of a groups ideas/religion/etc.


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25 Sep 2012, 1:34 am

Often whenever I find somebody being stupid, I become curious. I'm curious as to why they are refusing to change their viewpoints when, and only when the evidence is staring at them right in the face. If not, then I have to think very deeply about whether the knowledge I currently have may be flawed in some way. This can be incredibly frustrating if I'm thinking about issues that do not have a clear right or wrong answer (such as economic or political issues).



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25 Sep 2012, 10:45 am

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Define "stupidity."


I define stupidity in many ways:

* Lacking the capacity for logic and reason.

* Being a (metaphorical) sheep. Imitating the actions of those around one's self, no matter how wrong they may be.

* Causing any form of harm or distress to an other person without any reason to do so.

* I don't really consider lacking knowledge to be stupidity. However, being unwilling to correct one's lack of knowledge is undeniably stupid.

* Bigotry. Discriminating against those who are different really shows just how pathetic, shallow and stupid a person is.


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25 Sep 2012, 11:42 am

Curiotical wrote:
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Define "stupidity."


I define stupidity in many ways:

* Lacking the capacity for logic and reason.

* Being a (metaphorical) sheep. Imitating the actions of those around one's self, no matter how wrong they may be.

* Causing any form of harm or distress to an other person without any reason to do so.

* I don't really consider lacking knowledge to be stupidity. However, being unwilling to correct one's lack of knowledge is undeniably stupid.

* Bigotry. Discriminating against those who are different really shows just how pathetic, shallow and stupid a person is.


Agreed, I've seen my fair share of stupid people who've demonstrated all of this.


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25 Sep 2012, 4:31 pm

Curiotical wrote:
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Define "stupidity."


I define stupidity in many ways:

* Lacking the capacity for logic and reason.

* Being a (metaphorical) sheep. Imitating the actions of those around one's self, no matter how wrong they may be.

* Causing any form of harm or distress to an other person without any reason to do so.

* I don't really consider lacking knowledge to be stupidity. However, being unwilling to correct one's lack of knowledge is undeniably stupid.

* Bigotry. Discriminating against those who are different really shows just how pathetic, shallow and stupid a person is.


Ah.

In that case, in regards to your original question, I don't "deal" with it at all.

My ego is in no way stroked by attempting to "correct" people; therefore, I remain silent unless I see a very good reason to speak up.

People generally take silence as agreement and leave me be. Also, my policy is to never discuss religion or politics at work.


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25 Sep 2012, 5:00 pm

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Also, my policy is to never discuss religion or politics at work.


I learned that wise policy a few years ago and now it's a personal mantra of mine to be religiously (:lol:) observed in any group of people. I just wish my parents would learn it too - they taught me bad ways :oops:.


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