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Raziel
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28 Apr 2013, 1:08 pm

paxfilosoof wrote:
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Boredom -> no activity -> Depression/self-pity -> causes the need to consume -> symptoms -> neurotransmitter imbalance -> physical change for example cancer cells growth (generally we have at all moment of out lives cancer cells, but they don't grow in a balanced person, only when a person is imbalanced).


I'm 100% certain that I've not depression, because I'm just bored, that's just silly. 8O
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lol, you are here on wrong planet. It says alot to me ;)


What do you mean? :?


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28 Apr 2013, 1:16 pm

Raziel wrote:
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Raziel wrote:
paxfilosoof wrote:
Boredom -> no activity -> Depression/self-pity -> causes the need to consume -> symptoms -> neurotransmitter imbalance -> physical change for example cancer cells growth (generally we have at all moment of out lives cancer cells, but they don't grow in a balanced person, only when a person is imbalanced).


I'm 100% certain that I've not depression, because I'm just bored, that's just silly. 8O
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lol, you are here on wrong planet. It says alot to me ;)


What do you mean? :?


What I mean is that alot of people on wrongplanet (me included) actually do stuff here on the formus etc.
Not because they're per se bored but because they think it is the right thing to do (you can call it like that). And it's fine.



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29 Apr 2013, 11:05 am

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Let me give a little bit more context. No problem, I think the 3 boxes actually describe the symptoms very nicely.

1. Thought error is the first thing we recognize
not dealed properly -> result in personal imbalance
2. The result is a person al symptom like defence mechanism
Not dealed properly -> result in a emotional/mood imbalance
3. The result is a neurotransmitter change
not dealed properly -> causes a physical disease like cancer for example


Thanks for clarifying. I think this is faulty logic. I am by no means an expert in these topics, but I am keenly interested, as an amateur, in microbiology and genetics, and I am quite certain that AIDS is NOT caused by an imbalance in dopamine. There is NO serious source that denies the etiology of AIDS. AIDS is the result of the activity of a retrovirus, HIV.


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Let's give an example in the cancer example:

Boredom -> no activity -> Depression/self-pity -> causes the need to consume -> symptoms -> neurotransmitter imbalance -> physical change for example cancer cells growth (generally we have at all moment of out lives cancer cells, but they don't grow in a balanced person, only when a person is imbalanced).


Can you cite any evidence that noradrenline is a carcinogen? I think this is untrue. These associations with disease are the most immediately just plain false parts of the idea.

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The 3 common neurotransmitters in health are: Dopamine, Noradrenaline and Serotonin.
Most people think 1 neurotransmitters is the cause of all these charaterstics, but this is not true. The research was done on people with all the neurotransmitter imbalances.


How do you know what most people think? Have you done a study on this issue? Does it matter? There is plenty of research on the combined effects of all three neurotransmitters and a lot of work has been done on the desirability and effect of SNDRIs--reuptake inhibitors acting on all three--though there are plenty of problems with known drugs in this class. Work with MAOIs is also focused on their action across a range of receptors, so it seems incorrect to propose that there is some delusion about the role of single neurotransmitters in psychiatric disorders.

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Technically the chakra's are the eastern view of the western EGO. But don't worry.

The first and second chakras in most eastern systems would seem to map more closely to the id than then ego, in the terms of the id/ego/superego framework.

These are interesting ideas. Some of the ideas about disease seem flat out wrong. If they are helpful to you, then that's good, however I would not try to use this system predictively or diagnostically.

I've had good friends who died while attempting to deal with their treatable cancers through alternative medicine, and other friends who have survived what were described as death sentences--metastatic stage 4 brain cancer with involvement of multiple lymph nodes--through aggressive application of modern medicine. My personal experiences with cancer in friends is mere anecdote, and should not be persuasive--but one of these approaches is backed by lots of empirical research and the scientific method. That's the one I would go with and the one that I think will, as research continues, provide the best insights into neurological disorders and psychiatric symptoms.

Thanks for the additional explanation of your ideas.



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12 May 2013, 11:43 am

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