Ask youself why you really want a CURE?

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07 Aug 2013, 5:13 pm

nominalist wrote:

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I once had the chance to beat up a high school bully, I had him cornered and that was the moment I saw the fear in his eyes, which caused me to being unable to proceed, and I walked away, now is that sympathy or empathy?

As I said, I can only speak for myself. I always had a strong sense of social justice. However, over the years, I taught myself to "look" like I cared about individuals. Actually, I couldn't care less.

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Empathy is said to register trough mirror neurons which cause a "how would I feel in that situation" reaction, and I think that this feeling could be so intense that we sometimes rather experience it as a shock like state, which almost paralyzes you and stops you from reacting, rather than not at all experiencing empathy.

I think that is sympathy (a rational exploration of "how would I feel?"). To me, empathy is feeling it.

I think I can understand your rational better now behind wanting a cure, and what you describe sounds extremely difficult.

I'm still thinking on the empathy part though, and how much it differs for me compared to NT's( sympathy vs. empathy etc. ), but that's also something I was already exploring since I'm writing a book about it.

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07 Aug 2013, 5:18 pm

Jonov wrote:

I'm still thinking on the empathy part though, and how much it differs for me compared to NT's( sympathy vs. empathy etc. ), but that's also something I was already exploring since I'm writing a book about it.

Honestly, I didn't know what I missing until I experienced it.

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07 Aug 2013, 5:40 pm

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Honestly, I didn't know what I missing until I experienced it.

Well to get where I am now emotionally, with the understanding of how my empathy takes form, has taken me about 7 years, of which I spent 2 years wishing I was dead every single day, and that makes me wonder how many people would actually survive that process, because I am not done yet even now.
If a cure could avoid having to go trough that, I would actually be all for it, its just the cognitive abilities and extreme enhancement of the senses, that I am not sure I would want to sacrifice.

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07 Aug 2013, 5:57 pm

I'm not interested in a cure because I don't think there really could be one and because I can't really tell what is a disorder and what is just my personality.

I can understand if others might want one.

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07 Aug 2013, 6:40 pm

Don't start another thread about a "cure". There won't be the cure you mean for decades or centuries, and it's a personal choice, anyway.

About empathy, autistic individuals have a lack of cognitive empathy (i.e. Theory of Mind). Individuals with an antisocial personality lack on affective empathy.
http://auticulture.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... e-empathy/

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07 Aug 2013, 6:44 pm

hanyo wrote:

That's basically what I was thinking. Sure there are some things I would like to change about myself, but I don't really see myself as having something that needs to be cured. I dont feel as though it is like a cancer or a disease.

I am undiagnosed btw. And whether I have the label of aspie or not doesn't concern me. I know what I struggle with and have to deal with everyday. And I deal with it without the help of meds or counciling. I also know that there are others that struggle a lot more than I do. I am completely against a cure for me, but I would support anyone of you if that's what you wanted.

Hope I didn't come off as too preachy or a jerk. I haven't slept in a while.

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07 Aug 2013, 7:00 pm

I don't necessarily want a cure.
BUT....

- I struggle to hold a 5-minute conversation.

- The supermarket hurts.

- My executive functioning sucks badly enough that I have to THINK and concentrate hard to do the dishes at night.

I'm both very intelligent and at the highest-functioning end of the spectrum, yet I still have those problems and more.
I take issue with the statement "There's nothing wrong with you; you just want to fit in."
No matter how much I don't care about fitting in, I still have clear symptoms of a disorder.

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07 Aug 2013, 9:23 pm

You're right, I didn't read your last line slowly enough otherwise I'd never have posted here.

I retract my comments as being useful in this thread about me wanting to wear make-up.

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07 Aug 2013, 9:23 pm

neobluex wrote:

I did not start this thread to talk about making a cure. But rather to get people to think about what a cure might "really" be like. And please note the quoting of the word "really".

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07 Aug 2013, 9:27 pm

1401b wrote:

Is this a troll??

Why does this keep coming up? What is CURE anyway? No one's defined that so how on earth can it be argued?

This argument really pisses me off every time it comes up and I'm at a total lack of how to explain why it is so angering. So I usually don't post anything because I think it's so obvious.

There are so many deep fundamental problems with the basic question, "Would you want a cure?"

The flu is easy to cure, you shoot the person in the head. No more flu.
Now, do you want a cure for your flu? Not if it's that. Duh!

Why does everyone assume that anyone "working on a cure" would be this ret*d? That they would "throw out the baby with the bath water"?

Fixing part of the problems with AS is NO different than fixing problems unrelated to AS.
You're adapting, changing, overcoming, becoming a better and more comfortable human.

Being against a cure sounds so much like being against ever adapting or flexing or learning ever about anything.
Is this because people on the spectrum have Switching Tolerance issues, that they can't accept that there might possibly be some area that isn't already perfect and therefore "Don't make ME change!"

Is their life so free of discomfort, so utterly fulfilled that they aren't unhappy about anything at all?? They're in ecstasy all the time?
Then why are people with AS coming here whining and complaining all the time?
Do they NOT want a cure for the bad things because they love wallowing in their endless misery?

This is a ret*d argument.
If you want a better life then you're automatically pro-cure??
And if you're anti-cure it's because you never want anything in your life to be better??

To "cure" even one issue means they have to get rid of all the good things too? What a STUPID assumption.

This is classic Black and White binary thinking.
This is Autism at it's worst.

Obviously you did not read my first post when I started this thread. Let me make it clear to you. I did NOT start this thread to talk about making a cure. But rather to get people to think about what a cure might "really" be like. And please note the quoting of the word "really". Thank you..

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07 Aug 2013, 10:15 pm

Just because there is a cure doesn't mean you have to take it. No one would be forcing you. There are plenty of people who need one bad.

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07 Aug 2013, 11:03 pm

I am wondering, if there were cure, and someone wanted cure, and someone took cure, and someone became neurotypical, what then?

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07 Aug 2013, 11:05 pm

neobluex wrote:

That is assuming that a cure even exists, and I don't believe that the cure people talk about could even exist. And even if it theoretically did exist, what it have cured, being different. Even if autistics were cured they would still be fallen, fallen as the neurotypicals are fallen. For the neurotypical are just as inferior when you compare them to the transcendent ideal of what humanity is destined to become.

And as for a personal choice, that is an assumption I doubt that the current humanity would honor. I see that the scenario would go down that one x men movie. In which a cure for mutants was developed; at first the cure was a personal decision, then when some mutants started resisting and the government began to forcibly cure them. I can see the same type of scenario playing out.

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07 Aug 2013, 11:06 pm

yelekam wrote:

neobluex wrote:

That is assuming that a cure even exists, and I don't believe that the cure people talk about could even exist. And even if it theoretically did exist, what would it have cured, being different. Even if autistics were cured they would still be fallen, fallen as the neurotypicals are fallen. For the neurotypical are just as inferior when you compare them to the transcendent ideal of what humanity is destined to become.

And as for a personal choice, that is an assumption I doubt that the current humanity would honor. I see that the scenario would go down that one x men movie. In which a cure for mutants was developed; at first the cure was a personal decision, then when some mutants started resisting and the government began to forcibly cure them. I can see the same type of scenario playing out.

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08 Aug 2013, 1:05 am

yelekam wrote:

neobluex wrote:

I guess what I am trying to say is that the definition of a "cure" would be to turn a AS person into a NT one. In that context. Can you really call it a "cure". It's like asking someone wanting plastic surgery. "What is it about your face that you don't like or think that other don't like.". In the end. You are not curing anything. You are only cosmetically altering yourself to so called "fit in!".

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08 Aug 2013, 6:37 am

I do fit in, I am included in social events and I find it very easy to make friends but this is not because I have adapted to the way of the majority, it's because I shield myself from harm and put on armour so that nobody hurts me. This can be very taxing for me as every now and then I do break down.

In answer to the OP, I would really want a cure so that I would no longer have to put all my efforts and strength into protecting myself. Also if there was such a thing as a cure I think it would be interesting to find out whether I would still feel so separate and unable to bond as it is this that I find most difficult in my life, because on the one hand I do 'fit in' and on the other hand I don't really feel any emotional attachment with people and that is very taxing on me.

I hope I have answered your question.

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