Playing the Autism Card May Be Harmful to Humanity

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05 Oct 2013, 7:43 pm

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I was like - he is SO OUT OF IT. Very obviously had a low IQ. I felt sympathy for him but I wanted him to shut up because he was hurting my ears.


What's your point? I've been to plenty of public places where NTs talk loudly talking about practically nothing or screaming into their mobile phones laughing about some inane thing and irritating me with their voices. How are they more justified to be in public than this boy? This says more about you than it does about the boy you are picking on.

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We need to educate people about what Autism really is. We need to organize and do it cleanly and professionally..


So according to you what is autism? what are we educating the public about?



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05 Oct 2013, 7:45 pm

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What's really funny is that we're all kind stumbling around ourselves. We, them, us, they, everyone - we need to get straight on what it is - and you can tell by the questions posed around here and the answers, there's a lot of mystery to it still. So we figure it out and then we educate everyone else.


So you have an opportunity to educate us, set us straight?



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05 Oct 2013, 8:30 pm

You did not read one word that I wrote. Just so you know.



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05 Oct 2013, 8:56 pm

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What's really funny is that we're all kind stumbling around ourselves. We, them, us, they, everyone - we need to get straight on what it is - and you can tell by the questions posed around here and the answers, there's a lot of mystery to it still. So we figure it out and then we educate everyone else.


Should be careful because that way lies self-narrating zoo exhibits.

http://everything2.com/title/self-narrating+zoo+exhibit



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05 Oct 2013, 9:21 pm

Well there's that. Then there's what the gay community manged to pull together and do after AIDs struck.



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05 Oct 2013, 9:24 pm

True, I'm just saying.

I think what's more important than being able to explain what it's like to be autistic is to at least receive understanding and accommodation. Like education should not be the price for being accepted as fully human.



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05 Oct 2013, 9:41 pm

Yeah, I think we want to try to get rid of that less than human treatment. That's the whole point. I feel like for my entire life I have been alone as a species, even when i thought I knew I was Autistic, I still thought i was alone, I just didn't know anyone like me. Now I see that there are so many people suffering, some if it is the ravages of Autism itself and that needs to be dealt with, but so freaking much of it is just that we are treated as "others." I'm not the only one, there are so many of us. I think we need to find a way to make them understand that we are not the other. We can't do it individually.



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05 Oct 2013, 10:03 pm

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You did not read one word that I wrote. Just so you know.


I did and you still have not made your points any clearer? You can (I think) take two constructive approaches;
- identify that you have a unique profile and that you can focus on your own issues and overcoming them in your own way
- identify you have common problems with others here and seek to contribute toward the education of the general public about issues that are common to many (maybe not all) people on the autism spectrum.

I did not find your comments about the LFA boy constructive or enlightening.



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05 Oct 2013, 10:13 pm

So you disagree with me. Not the end of the world.
I'm not going to beat the story about the kid to death. It was just about how society (including myself) misunderstands disability based on the stereotype of that disability.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:00 am

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I mean that on this forum some Aspies say things like "I am against a cure for me, but those low-functioning autistics totally need a cure whether they want one or not." Or they keep redefining their notions of "low functioning autism" to mean people who can never ever ever communicate their needs or speak for themselves so they apparently need other people to decide their needs for them. Like, they're positioned as lesser, inferior beings because of their autism and their IQs.

To me it comes across not as talking about people as people, but talking about people as objects because they do not fulfill some arbitrary criteria for personhood, and thus are worthy of pity and the other things above (such as people who do not know them deciding they know what the best thing for them is). I am not sure I am explaining this clearly still, but unless I find an example it's probably the best I can do without clarifying questions.


Verdandi...did you see the POV video....Best Kept Secret? it is only online for two more days...I know it would be very interesting to you...am assuming you watched it....what did you think of it? If you did not see it, make sure you do....



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06 Oct 2013, 1:14 am

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ittlebee i'm not picking on you, your threads are interesting, I've been reading them all and they are provoking discussions. I just totally don't agree with you.

I didn't even make my point yet, so do not see how you can disagree with it..

p.s. Everyone who can please watch those two videos.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:31 am

the w person. Ha that might be my new name!
After several comments and 10 pages, one starts to extrapolate.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:36 am

cyberdad wrote:
wozeree wrote:
You did not read one word that I wrote. Just so you know.


I did and you still have not made your points any clearer? You can (I think) take two constructive approaches;
- identify that you have a unique profile and that you can focus on your own issues and overcoming them in your own way
- identify you have common problems with others here and seek to contribute toward the education of the general public about issues that are common to many (maybe not all) people on the autism spectrum.

I did not find your comments about the LFA boy constructive or enlightening.


Btw, while it's true I could hardly officially diagnose him, I wasn't under the impression that he was Autistic.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:39 am

I had not heard about Best Kept Secret until now.

I really am not connected to current stuff.



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06 Oct 2013, 12:59 pm

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I also want to know what is sorting things out?

What are we sorting out?

Every time I see the sweet intelligent cat face of the drain plane grain girl I get happy:-)

Anyway, all of this brain activity results in the next movement, and everything around one and within one is always moving and changing, so I would say that the end product of thinking, which is what sorting is, actually, is orientat-ing. There is no way to characterize that symbolically, as far I know. You can make a choreography of a past dance or a dance one wants to orchestrate, but it is not the same as a human being participating in a constant ever changing dance.

But orientation is what will take us home, so it is important to know in what direction to go. I know this does not explain that much. Think about it in terms of left brain and right brain, so the relationship between fine tuning and general 'tuning.' You would think that fine-tuning would be connected to an action, but actually it is probably more general 'tuning'. If people get lost in two many small details they become paralyzed. The person who knows less seems to know what to do, even if it is just a reaction, but also, in a time of danger, you need to know what to do, and generally alert people really do know. They do not have time to stop and think about it.

Sorry this is so hard. I did not say it would be easy, but there will be a big reward....eventually.....



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08 Oct 2013, 1:08 pm

cyberdad wrote:
wozeree wrote:
You did not read one word that I wrote. Just so you know.


I did and you still have not made your points any clearer? You can (I think) take two constructive approaches;
- identify that you have a unique profile and that you can focus on your own issues and overcoming them in your own way
- identify you have common problems with others here and seek to contribute toward the education of the general public about issues that are common to many (maybe not all) people on the autism spectrum.
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Though I find your comments interesting and a valuable contribution to this thread, there is a chance that doing the above may create as much of a problem as it does a solution.. I do not know if you have seen the documentary, Neurotypical, or read my comments about it, but this documentary is a good case in point for my argument that what you suggest may be doing more harm then good. It is kind of a subtle point, I acknowledge. I will be writing on this in more detail in the future.