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28 Oct 2013, 12:24 pm

Oh, wow, there are a lot of really cool people on that list.

One of these days, there are going to be more. Princess BeeBee, author of fiction for and about people on the autism spectrum. Saint Alan, Cattrina the Martyr, and Our Lady of Uncommon Sense, who successfully raised an Aspie child who did not become a Dark Aspie, and did it without a guidebook or an expert or really any help at all.


Are there Dark Aspies?? Goodness gracious, of COURSE there are.

Aspies who grew up without a moral compass, or with a badly distorted moral compass, who happily turned into hideous people. See Adolf Hitler-- now, I'm really not into the posthumous diagnosis routine, but I do find it plausible.

Aspies who grew up trying and failing and getting kicked, and trying and failing and getting kicked, and trying and failing and getting kicked-- and finally just SNAPPED. It's the getting kicked, and kicked, and kicked that is the factor that pushes them over to The Dark Side, though-- not the Asperger's.

Aspies who lived their lives being overpathologized, and mis-treated (like, medically and therapeutically) and told it was all necessary to keep them from becoming psychopaths-- which, if you want my personal view, is probably what happened with Adam Lanza.

We could wax philosophical and say that Broken Neurotypical Syndrome can take an Aspie and make of him or her a monster...

...and I think that's a pretty good theory, because I watched it happen to me. Over two years later, I'm still fighting that battle. I'm still an Aspie-- always will be. The difference, now, is that I've almost put Broken Neurotypical Syndrome behind me and I'm winning the fight. The sun is shining, dammit. :D :D :D

And that's what it comes down to, in the end. There is Autism Spectrum Disorder. There are terrible circumstances and unfortunate convergences of perfect storms. In the end, what stands between every single one of us mere human beings and The Dark Side is the choices we make when we're standing at the border looking left and right.

If that doesn't scare you-- and empower you to make the right choice yourself-- well, I'll always think it should.

I've come back from the edge of the dark twice. If I can do it, anyone can.


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28 Oct 2013, 2:15 pm

You can grow to hate the human race even if you started out by wanting to help them.

For a while, after enough abuse, revenge can be tempting.

In the end the best thing, if you must the go the misanthrope route, is to just get a couple of pets and retire from society as much as is possible.



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28 Oct 2013, 2:57 pm

bumble wrote:
In the end the best thing, if you must the go the misanthrope route, is to just get a couple of pets and retire from society as much as is possible.


Agreed for sure. My cats helped me through many dire straits. I'm a semi-feral human now, but perhaps there's time to get new overlords now I live in a pets-permited place and needn't move around all the time anymorse.

My cats were a BIG help emotionally.



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28 Oct 2013, 4:18 pm

bumble wrote:
You can grow to hate the human race even if you started out by wanting to help them.

For a while, after enough abuse, revenge can be tempting.

In the end the best thing, if you must the go the misanthrope route, is to just get a couple of pets and retire from society as much as is possible.


This. Right. Here.

If you have to go the "I Hate People" route, just drop out.


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28 Oct 2013, 4:28 pm

i am already in the "i hate people" route. i just stay at home and do internet and video games and pizza.

what i really hate are people who talk and socialites


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28 Oct 2013, 4:45 pm

The problem with the autistic brain is that they can rethink over and over the same incidence if it has hurt them in the need to understand the situation and sometimes it can make everything worse. Some seek for revange, others isolate themselfs and others cry over it and others come over terrible situations. It's a question of the mentality and also every autistic is different.


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28 Oct 2013, 6:13 pm

My dark side is depression.


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28 Oct 2013, 6:23 pm

"So what if you can see
The darkest side of me?
No will ever change
This animal I have become"

Sorry, the title just made my think about this song :lol:


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Hans Asperger identified a subgroup he dubbed, "autistic malice", small minority of children who acted malicously, sometimes enjoying doing so.

I was put into that subgroup by school teachers and some counselors during elementary school years, just not in the "autistic malice" but a sort of ADD malice (at the time I was officially diagnosed only with ADD, although some counselors had said that I could possibly have had Asperger's).
One of my nicknames was "little beast" and another was "little animal"... that again brings my mind back to that song :lol:



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28 Oct 2013, 8:25 pm

Come to the Dark Side.

We have cookies. :twisted:



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28 Oct 2013, 8:44 pm

Me malicious... eh... maybe... Cynical and warn out being around people is more accurate. I can enjoy other peoples misgivings and failures from their lack of sheer common sense. :wink:


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29 Oct 2013, 1:32 am

An Absent-Minded Professor could become a Mad Scientist. :twisted:


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30 Oct 2013, 5:05 pm

Does anyone else think The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo fits this description perfectly? She's been abused and rejected her whole life and becomes very anti-social, but she retains many positive emotional features. Her violent behavior is always in response to someone else's violent behavior, and in many situations she stands up for other victims. She uses her unique Asperger's-related abilities to get revenge, like her photographic memory and extreme interest in computers. The novel really glamorizes her as a powerful antihero, and I think that she is "dark" in a very conventional sense. I don't think of the "Dark Aspie" as being a psychopath--I think the best term for that is just "psychopath."



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30 Oct 2013, 6:14 pm

Please take the time to read, it may benefit you.

Remember one thing. We are all human beings, no one deserves to treat anyone as inferior.

Listen, just because you use Wrong Planet doesn't mean that you can be a jerk or treat other people not on the spectrum like crap. If you do treat people poorly, then you're going to have no friends. It will lead you down a path you do not wish to take of aloneness. And don't think just because you have Aspergers doesn't mean you can't be social and polite to people. Never be rude to people, I don't care if you're autistic or not, always be friendly to people. And don't sound cocky or arrogant. Act like you actually care about people. (even if you don't)


So next time you complain about neurotypicals treating you like crap, maybe they're being unfriendly to you because you're being unfriendly to them. You should start stepping up and being friendly to other people. Say hi to people, that shows you're friendly. And if you do that, I promise you people will be more drawn to you. So what are you waiting for? Go out and socialise. Aspergers is not an excuse to not socialise. Remember that.



Thank you for taking the time to read.



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30 Oct 2013, 6:18 pm

Aspergers means you're unique, but I don't wanna hear your excuses not to be friendly to people. Don't ever treat people like they're crap or else you won't have any friends. I used to be the same way thinking I was better than everyone else. Guess what happened? No one liked me.



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30 Oct 2013, 6:27 pm

PowderHound wrote:
Does anyone else think The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo fits this description perfectly? She's been abused and rejected her whole life and becomes very anti-social, but she retains many positive emotional features. Her violent behavior is always in response to someone else's violent behavior, and in many situations she stands up for other victims. She uses her unique Asperger's-related abilities to get revenge, like her photographic memory and extreme interest in computers. The novel really glamorizes her as a powerful antihero, and I think that she is "dark" in a very conventional sense. I don't think of the "Dark Aspie" as being a psychopath--I think the best term for that is just "psychopath."

I relate.


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