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05 Nov 2013, 7:58 pm

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Epicurus? A stoic. An atomist. Believed in minimizing suffering by carefully controlling sensory input and the appetites. Participation in society minimal and pragmatic merely. The ideal life to live in a walled compound and garden to contemplate truth, maintain a few close associates, and to safeguard happiness.

Epicurus could be another patron saint of Aspies, too.


Actually, that sounds a bit like the way I live. I live way out in the sticks on a ranch a mile from my nearest neighbors. It is a great place to contemplate truth and to control who comes into my presence. I will have to take a closer look.

Are you a fan of Merton by chance?


I envy your living situation! That would be a dream for me!

Merton? I was into him for a while. I think I prefer the Zen stuff better.


I was in to Zen for a while. As I got deeper into it though, I found it wasn't very compatible with the Western mind. This is one point on which I agree with Jung.

As far as my living situation goes, I like to joke that this is as close to paradise as I hope to come for many years. It really is ideal for an aspie. Turn off all the appliances and it's so quiet that all I hear is the wind and blood rushing through my head.



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05 Nov 2013, 8:06 pm

I'd love to live in the woods or on the plains alone.

But I would get lonely after a while.

One reason I do like being a priest is that I can make a difference in people's lives. If I were isolated I couldn't do that. I do care about people. I just find social engagements difficult.

Not really Hebrew idioms, wozeree....I've been struggling with a book I want to write of the Song of Solomon. I taught a class 3 years ago, so I have all the notes. But I'm a pattern thinker so it's hard for me to translate my inner language into words. It's an area of interest but it's also very hard.

All I learned from Zen is "live in the moment," and "focus on breathing." The rest of it I found pretty much unhelpful. I live in the moment only one time a day: when I say Mass.



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05 Nov 2013, 8:40 pm

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I'd love to live in the woods or on the plains alone.

But I would get lonely after a while.

One reason I do like being a priest is that I can make a difference in people's lives. If I were isolated I couldn't do that. I do care about people. I just find social engagements difficult.

Not really Hebrew idioms, wozeree....I've been struggling with a book I want to write of the Song of Solomon. I taught a class 3 years ago, so I have all the notes. But I'm a pattern thinker so it's hard for me to translate my inner language into words. It's an area of interest but it's also very hard.

All I learned from Zen is "live in the moment," and "focus on breathing." The rest of it I found pretty much unhelpful. I live in the moment only one time a day: when I say Mass.


What I like about being out here on the prairie is that it is just as you describe Epicurus' garden. I have people when I want them, and none when I don't. I have also found a certain solace in being part of the cycle of nature--something it is difficult to feel a part of in a city.

I suspect that the big reason I'm not lonely is have a job I go to every day. When I retire, I may look at things differently, and that causes me some concern. Again, it is a matter of needing people even if dealing with them is very difficult.

I think the biggest I got from Zen meditation was while I never was able to slow down my thoughts--much less stop them--I did come to see them for what they are--as things that can't cause me harm unless I allow them to. As Suzuki said, we should view negative thoughts like big thunderheads sweeping across the prairie--things that will dissipate in their own due time.

If I may ask, what part of the country are you a priest in? What is your order?



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06 Nov 2013, 2:40 am

It is a catch-22. If I was to act totally myself I would be to broke to afford even the basic things be totally myself. If I act NT but for a time I am compromising myself, if I act NT a lot I may get the material things to be myself but compromise a lot of myself and potentially ruin my mental health. And that describes the situation for most if not all of us.

This is not despite the way it sounds a self hate or I give up post. If you make the right choices you can substantially lesson the negatives and gain positives. The choices are difficult and full of potential surprises.


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06 Nov 2013, 1:42 pm

Thank you for your responses. They are helping me a lot.

ASPartOfMe -- your situation is the one I relate to most. When I've tried to be NT in the past, I've discovered no one respects me. I just end up becoming an NT's conversational "satellite."

But I tried something new starting a month ago. When I'm quiet and stick to my scripts:

"Yes, I understand."
"I'm so sorry, you much feel terrible."
"That's a wonderful story."

....it seems that while people find me boring, they seem to respect me....

What do you think of that? I want feedback. I started this thread not because I have answers but because I need help and I want to be happy in an NT world.



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06 Nov 2013, 7:30 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:
Thank you for your responses. They are helping me a lot.

ASPartOfMe -- your situation is the one I relate to most. When I've tried to be NT in the past, I've discovered no one respects me. I just end up becoming an NT's conversational "satellite."

But I tried something new starting a month ago. When I'm quiet and stick to my scripts:

"Yes, I understand."
"I'm so sorry, you much feel terrible."
"That's a wonderful story."

....it seems that while people find me boring, they seem to respect me....

What do you think of that? I want feedback. I started this thread not because I have answers but because I need help and I want to be happy in an NT world.


How long can you keep doing that before you go bonkers? I mean, where your job is concerned, a script might not be a bad thing, people kind expect scripty stuff in those circumstances - but what about life?



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06 Nov 2013, 7:49 pm

Good question. I don't have the answer yet.



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06 Nov 2013, 8:05 pm

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Good question. I don't have the answer yet.


I don't mean to hijack the discussion, but I'm curious what made you want to become a priest? It certainly couldn't have been a felt fellowship with others...



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06 Nov 2013, 8:10 pm

God called me from the depths of my existence. I had to do it.



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06 Nov 2013, 8:14 pm

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God called me from the depths of my existence. I had to do it.


I'm trying to think up something snarky in response, as that is my way, but I'm coming up empty. Even as an atheist, I think that's beautiful. My compulsions usually just involve something going into or out of my body.