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25 Nov 2013, 7:16 pm

if I don't write stuff down immediately upon hearing it, it evaporates forever.



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25 Nov 2013, 7:21 pm

I find that because I have auditory processing delays (something which is very common in ASD), if you say something to me it can take a few seconds for the words to register, which is frustrating enough. But when I'm listening to something that is a continuous stream of words, I simply cannot process it all quickly enough and it just becomes a stream of noise. I can follow the pitch and tone of the singer and I can appreciate the vocal quality of their singing. But I cannot make out a single word of what they are singing :(

This is why I prefer instrumental music a lot of the time (or extended rock songs that become more or less instrumental). It does mean that my brain is more sensitive to vocal quality because I cannot make out the words ;) so I'm actually more appreciative of a good voice than someone who is too busy listening to the lyrics to notice :)

Great gig n the sky by pink floyd is one of my favourite tracks because of this - you don't need to follow any lyrics - just appreciate the vocal sounds !

When you find yourself struggling to follow a conversation and getting mixed up over what people are actually saying, this is often the processing delay at work too. It is your brain struggling to keep up with getting all the information to your conscious mind quickly enough to understand it. We often cope better with subtitles because our brains often process visual language much quicker than spoken language.

This is why good ASD teachers often use visual aids to improve learning in ASD kids.

On the odd occasions that Kerrang uses subtitles I find the songs so much easier to listen to because my ears are not trying to decipher the lyrics for me, my eyes do all the work.

Hey I just noticed that the letters for 'ASD' are actually laid out that way on the keyboard (sorry - Aspergers moment there :wink: )


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25 Nov 2013, 7:24 pm

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Seems I owe a correction here, after discussing this with an old friend this afternoon it seems that i dont "get" conversational speech quite as well as I thought. He pointed out to me that on the phone I dont do it very often at all but in person i routinely ask for things to be repeated.
Lightbulb moment here and I realized also I tend to look at peoples mouths as they speak. Eye avoidance or attempted lip reading? I remembered too a random axx beating i took with my dad telling me i only heard what i wanted to hear when i wanted to hear it. Most likely i didnt do something i was told or could have been simply asking him to repeat himself, then again if he didnt have a reason hed make one up.

Nerve damage, thats what i was told ages ago when i was last tested. Told me nothing could be done about it and id just have to live with it.
Now we know better.

Still sifting through the academic stuff, not finding much that applies. Most of it is focused on SPLH issues with autistic children and why little if anything can be done to help them clinically. Nothing relating to adults or ASD.


Yes - I lip read too, I used to think it was because I have 35% hearing loss in both ears, but I'm beginning to think it was also a way of making the words visual so that I could process them better. Perhaps it was a bit of both?


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25 Nov 2013, 7:24 pm

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We often cope better with subtitles because our brains often process visual language much quicker than spoken language. This is why good ASD teachers often use visual aids to improve learning in ASD kids. On the odd occasions that Kerrang uses subtitles I find the songs so much easier to listen to because my ears are not trying to decipher the lyrics for me, my eyes do all the work.

I find that I unconsciously telegraph things I say to other people with gestures, like if i'm talking about somebody talking I will use my hands to make a crude shadow boxing-esque mouth flapping thing, for example. some people think this is funny to watch.



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25 Nov 2013, 7:26 pm

auntblabby wrote:
grahamguitarman wrote:
We often cope better with subtitles because our brains often process visual language much quicker than spoken language. This is why good ASD teachers often use visual aids to improve learning in ASD kids. On the odd occasions that Kerrang uses subtitles I find the songs so much easier to listen to because my ears are not trying to decipher the lyrics for me, my eyes do all the work.

I find that I unconsciously telegraph things I say to other people with gestures, like if i'm talking about somebody talking I will use my hands to make a crude shadow boxing-esque mouth flapping thing, for example. some people think this is funny to watch.


Yep that is another form of visual communication, and apparently I do it all the time too - though I'm usually unaware of it until it's pointed out to me LOL.


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25 Nov 2013, 7:36 pm

grahamguitarman wrote:
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This is why I prefer instrumental music a lot of the time (or extended rock songs that become more or less instrumental). It does mean that my brain is more sensitive to vocal quality because I cannot make out the words ;) so I'm actually more appreciative of a good voice than someone who is too busy listening to the lyrics to notice :)

Great gig n the sky by pink floyd is one of my favourite tracks because of this - you don't need to follow any lyrics - just appreciate the vocal sounds !

:wink: )


Oh yes, I've got Floyd's entire catalog, lifelong fan. "Comfortably Numb" on loop got me through some darkness. Peter Gabriel era Genesis are good, as are a little known prog rock band called Gentle Giant. Yes and ELP as well.



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25 Nov 2013, 7:38 pm

auntblabby wrote:
if I don't write stuff down immediately upon hearing it, it evaporates forever.


that can work in our favor actually, my boss really thinks highly of the fact i keep a little notepad and pen always handy. :)



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25 Nov 2013, 7:40 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
if I don't write stuff down immediately upon hearing it, it evaporates forever.


that can work in our favor actually, my boss really thinks highly of the fact i keep a little notepad and pen always handy. :)

I hope you know shorthand.



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25 Nov 2013, 11:12 pm

Auntblabby - having been away from that work for a while now, I was not aware that vocals are not always centered as they used to be. That explains a lot.

Saxifraga - I do miss the work too. I keep a small recording setup in my home for tinkering around. A few years ago I produced an audio prodcast series of town concerts. That was fun. I keep mentally kicking around the idea of some sort of podcast related to Asperger's, but can't come up with a meaningful concept. It seems that video (YouTube) has taken over these days anyway, and video production is more work than I care to get into. About once a year I decide to make another run at doing voice-over work; but after I listen to playbacks of myself, I give up in despair. :)



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26 Nov 2013, 9:25 am

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Regarding the male/female thing, it turns out that the typically higher pitch of a female voice helps it to rise above and stand-out over the mix. The human ear is inherently more sensitive to sounds in the range of 2-3 kilohertz; the pitch of female voices comes closer to that range than do those of males.


This might explain why I have a tendancy to prefer female vocalists (which people tell me is odd for a male).
I know that I interact better with female doctors, and have considered it may have an auditory reason (can pick up their inflection better, or something) and female authority figures, so Marky's statement makes alot of sense to me.



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26 Nov 2013, 9:55 am

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I have an issue I'm not sure is an aspie related problem or not.
When it comes to comprehending song lyrics I have a real problem figuring out what is being said. Simple and slow songs I can understand what the words are but pretty much anything on contemporary radio I am at a loss. I hear the voice just fine but picking out what is being said is nigh impossible. I'll use Miley's wrecking ball as an example, i can only figure out less than half of what the words are. I hear volume just fine and have no issue comprehending spoken conversation no matter how complicated. Actually in a public setting I can usually listen in on more than one conversation at a time. Is the music overloading my brain here and short-circuiting my comprehension? I also notice I dont have quite as bad an issue deciphering female vocalists as I do male. Wondering if anyone has or has heard of something similar.
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The frontal brain complex is highly important for all social interaction. Most aspergers and autism show a different wiring and information processes in these areas. One of the things that these brain area is responsible for is giving "human voice" automatically an higher importancy, when listening to it, as well that it is helping to automatically separate different voices. If that part is not functioning as it should, welcome to the world of people hearing human voices with the same given importancy as every other noise, so leading to you having far more problems with communicating and listening, during back ground noises, as high frequented places, bad telephone connections, and separating lyrics from chorals and music. ^^

Actually I live the songs of system of a down, as well as the informations and background transported by their lyrics, but without reading the songbooks, many songs of them would simply be nothing more then good music with a front singer, babbling some stuff. ^^



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26 Nov 2013, 2:40 pm

I find myself importing certain songs onto my puter then boosting the vocals.



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26 Nov 2013, 5:10 pm

My son has a receptive language delay - he struggles to understand what is being said to him, could this be related? I believe it is more common in people on the spectrum


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26 Nov 2013, 5:27 pm

As a young child, I had problems with receptive language and processing information. I notice that at times, I cannot flat out comprehend something that somebody I'm talking to is saying to me, though the problem has gotten less pronounced over the past couple years or so. My dad and sister would complain to me, when I don't understand, Can't you judge from the context what we're saying? I would faithfully repeat back what I heard, but it would be total gibberish.

There are other times where I have to immediately repeat what was said to me before I can comprehend it. Interestingly, I've even done this in Japanese, repeating the Japanese mora by mora and then comprehending the statement once I did that. :)


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26 Nov 2013, 5:49 pm

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There are other times where I have to immediately repeat what was said to me before I can comprehend it. Interestingly, I've even done this in Japanese, repeating the Japanese mora by mora and then comprehending the statement once I did that. :)

my Japanese mother despaired that I was too dumb to learn Japanese.



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28 Nov 2013, 1:28 pm

beneficii wrote:
As a young child, I had problems with receptive language and processing information. I notice that at times, I cannot flat out comprehend something that somebody I'm talking to is saying to me, though the problem has gotten less pronounced over the past couple years or so. My dad and sister would complain to me, when I don't understand, Can't you judge from the context what we're saying? I would faithfully repeat back what I heard, but it would be total gibberish.

There are other times where I have to immediately repeat what was said to me before I can comprehend it. Interestingly, I've even done this in Japanese, repeating the Japanese mora by mora and then comprehending the statement once I did that. :)


Ha! This last is what got me into trouble when I was younger. My family lived in Japan, where I went to the American school; we were taught Japanese. The teacher asked me "what is xxx?" in Japanese, and I repeated the word "what" in English in order to comprehend it (I didn't realize until later that I said it in the wrong tone. The teacher thought I was being surly and she punished me for it).