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12 Jan 2014, 12:03 pm

johnny77 wrote:
I've had decent luck looking in the "eyes" just below the eyes for around 5 seconds down mouth for 1.5 seconds back to "eyes" again.
If someone has a better way, let us know.

I try and 'soften' my vision and take in the entire eye oval including the muscles around the eyes. And perhaps the same for the mouth area.

And maybe thinking in terms of a conversational beat, including a long beat and a short beat, rather than a particular time period.

When someone is explaining something complicated, I think it's okay to look to the side and ever so slightly down. And maybe after a couple of sentences of explanation, I can softly say 'alright' and nod my nod to let the person know I am still listening. And that doesn't pull me off track, whereas trying to maintain eye contact would.



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12 Jan 2014, 12:58 pm

zaneaspie wrote:
Seems like an awful lot to juggle while also trying to think of something to reply to the other person :?


This is so true! In the past I have tried to force myself to make eye contact with people, once in a while I would just stuff down the fear/anxiety this caused and just do it, but the result was that my brain could not function at all, I tried to do eye contact and I couldn't speak or have any stream of clear thought, it was like my brain got 'jammed' or something.

Yet I can turn around 180 degrees and look at the wall while lecturing about some aspect of science, technology, history or whatever of my special interests is in my head at the time, and sound like a tenured college professor, but this can only happen when I am not even looking at people. While I would prefer to stare at a wall while talking, I have to compromise with the ground in most cases. I have no issue making eye contact with an animal though, I have done things like maintain eye contact with a cat while talking to a human.



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12 Jan 2014, 1:18 pm

a nice person i asked advice from told me about sticky eyes which i have found really useful. like imagining that your eyes are stuck to the other persons with bubblegum so that your eyes are constantly moving slightly away from the other persons eyes but have a rubbery pull back to them.
it takes a bit of practice but is less obvious than looking up or down or away. it works for me. i still feel weird and uncomfortable when i am looking someone in the eyes but it is mitigated by knowing i can semi natuarly move my eyes away if it gets too much


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12 Jan 2014, 2:59 pm

Ennik wrote:
Hello,

NT here.

Could I please have a reliable source for this?
Especially the left and right eye thing.

Being NT and therefore never having given a thought to these things (until having a kid on the spectrum, that is) I very much like to know who found that out, using what scientifically valid method of investigation.

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Here is my source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7h2XnX ... ata_player



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12 Jan 2014, 3:13 pm

7 seconds looking into someones eyes would feel like an eternity! About half a second is almost too much for me.


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12 Jan 2014, 4:32 pm

Here is the right vs left eye info:

http://www.scienceofsoulmates.com/The_p ... ft_eye.htm



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12 Jan 2014, 7:45 pm

I mentally have to tell myself "okay now look in their eyes, now look away at the floor, now look at mouth, now look to the left of you, now back at the eyes for 3 seconds, 3 , 2 1, okay now back at the ground".

God damn it's hard living this way. I wish people would just accept that i'm not looking directly into your eyes because i'm trying to actually listen to what you're trying to say and process it and my response, it doesn't mean i'm ignoring you or not listening, it's the exact opposite.



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12 Jan 2014, 9:03 pm

Sethno wrote:
JSBACHlover wrote:
I learned this on a website.

In normal NT conversation, you are to look at the other person's right eye for 7 seconds, then move your gaze down and around the mouth or so for a few seconds then back to the right eye.

This way you maintain normal eye contact without staring, and all seems normal.

But I'm told that if you look at the other person's left eye, it is a sign of flirting. Hmmm.

Now here is another nuance. If after the 7 seconds of eye contact you look at the other person's forehead or hair and then return to looking at their right eye, that is a sign of aggression, because you never looked down.

Isn't that interesting? With all that eye gazing it's hard to focus on verbal content.

Hey: I'm merely a reporter here. I'm not making up the rules!


When you say "the person's right eye", do you actually mean THEIR right, or the eye that's on your right as you look at them? (I'm guessing the former, but not sure.)
their right eye.



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14 Jan 2014, 10:16 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:
Ennik wrote:
Hello,

NT here.

Could I please have a reliable source for this?
Especially the left and right eye thing.

Being NT and therefore never having given a thought to these things (until having a kid on the spectrum, that is) I very much like to know who found that out, using what scientifically valid method of investigation.

Greetings

Ennik


Here is my source




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7h2XnX ... ata_player





This is also a posture thing that people "all" do with out thinking about it except most of "us" here conversation is only 10% words 90% your posture, stance etc.


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