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25 May 2014, 4:34 pm
AceofKnaves wrote:
On one end of the spectrum, what the shooter did was WRONG. I know this logically. I know he did more harm than good.
At any end of the spectrum, what he did was wrong. What good did he do?
A lot of us have had cruddy lives. I had an alcoholic mother who walked out when I was five, my father had to bring up three kids on his own, we could barely afford to eat. I was horribly bullied at school. I won't bore you with the rest of the issues, but they go on.
You know what, it doesn't matter how sh*tty it gets, you just keep going and do what you can to improve your life. You don't go and take out your issues on a bunch of innocent people.
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25 May 2014, 4:59 pm
Moomingirl wrote:
AceofKnaves wrote:
On one end of the spectrum, what the shooter did was WRONG. I know this logically. I know he did more harm than good.
At any end of the spectrum, what he did was wrong. What good did he do?
Before he commited the act of murder and something bad. He must have provided the world with something good. Peole aren't just black and white. Good or bad. They are good and bad. And sometimes they do a lot of bad.
25 May 2014, 5:12 pm
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25 May 2014, 5:55 pm
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Elliott Rodgers was raised in an entitlement culture.
The facts are, he was given a lot of what people thought was 'support and help' He had a dx, he had medical care, he had a psychologist and therapist, he got to attend a good University, he had family nearby... And the people who were on the front line of his therapeutic environment were calling the police on him - he was freaking them out and what he did not get, was stopped - until he went ballistic.
This kid had computer access and he knew how to use it, he had a BMW to drive...he most likely never went hungry a day in his life. This guy had a lot, but he wanted more - he seemed to think he was entitled to it...and when he could not get it, he had a calculated and twisted violent melt down. And if we listen with the the heart, we hear what he really did not have. He did not have a sense of place in the world, he did not have a sense of being successful, he did not have the sensations he craved. His world told him that to be a man, he was supposed to get the girl, have sex, be popular.- blah blah blah.
He did not have a real connection with anyone...he did not feel loved - and it may be that he never was really loved.
His videos reveal he felt isolated, rejected and humiliated...and his solution was borne out of the one thing that made him feel otherwise...a culture of media violence that made him feel virtually powerful and lustfully mighty (the video games and movies he saw)...So he used that 'education' to create one last REAL moment of real power.
And the world is shocked? I think it's all too easy to see what happened, Elliott Rodgers, Adam Lanza and a lot of other guys are the end product of the recipe for disaster being cooked up by this culture of entitlement and violent self fulfillment...
Having meltdowns and having social difficulties is a part of being on the spectrum - Unfortunately, sometimes we're like everyone else ... we break bad.
The facts are, he was given a lot of what people thought was 'support and help' He had a dx, he had medical care, he had a psychologist and therapist, he got to attend a good University, he had family nearby... And the people who were on the front line of his therapeutic environment were calling the police on him - he was freaking them out and what he did not get, was stopped - until he went ballistic.
This kid had computer access and he knew how to use it, he had a BMW to drive...he most likely never went hungry a day in his life. This guy had a lot, but he wanted more - he seemed to think he was entitled to it...and when he could not get it, he had a calculated and twisted violent melt down. And if we listen with the the heart, we hear what he really did not have. He did not have a sense of place in the world, he did not have a sense of being successful, he did not have the sensations he craved. His world told him that to be a man, he was supposed to get the girl, have sex, be popular.- blah blah blah.
He did not have a real connection with anyone...he did not feel loved - and it may be that he never was really loved.
His videos reveal he felt isolated, rejected and humiliated...and his solution was borne out of the one thing that made him feel otherwise...a culture of media violence that made him feel virtually powerful and lustfully mighty (the video games and movies he saw)...So he used that 'education' to create one last REAL moment of real power.
And the world is shocked? I think it's all too easy to see what happened, Elliott Rodgers, Adam Lanza and a lot of other guys are the end product of the recipe for disaster being cooked up by this culture of entitlement and violent self fulfillment...
Having meltdowns and having social difficulties is a part of being on the spectrum - Unfortunately, sometimes we're like everyone else ... we break bad.
I don't know that much about what actually happened (just finding out about it today, as a matter of fact); but I just want to chime in here and say that I think this post is a very insightful one, BornThisWay - especially the points you make about an entitlement culture. It's a culture/mindset that causes many difficulties in this country.
ETA: Currently watching the video he posted....his calculating tone of voice and those little chuckles he keeps doing are creeping me the f-k out.
I've seen the transcripts of the "Retribution" video on a couple threads here, but seeing the actual video....whoa.
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25 May 2014, 6:00 pm
AceofKnaves wrote:
Moomingirl wrote:
AceofKnaves wrote:
On one end of the spectrum, what the shooter did was WRONG. I know this logically. I know he did more harm than good.
At any end of the spectrum, what he did was wrong. What good did he do?
Before he commited the act of murder and something bad. He must have provided the world with something good. Peole aren't just black and white. Good or bad. They are good and bad. And sometimes they do a lot of bad.
I can give you a long list of highly influential people that have either killed or raped children. Do they deserve an ounce of credit for their influences prior to their crimes? Do they deserve that?
"Yeah he is a pedophile .... BUT I kinda feel bad for him because he helped and touched (no pun) so many peoples lives"
The deserve nothing at all. They have given nothing to this world. Their existence damaged people and/or took lives. The didn't even deserve to exist.
So no, they don't even deserve an ounce of credit for anything they've done.
25 May 2014, 6:20 pm
25 May 2014, 6:30 pm
jayjayuk wrote:
AceofKnaves wrote:
Moomingirl wrote:
AceofKnaves wrote:
On one end of the spectrum, what the shooter did was WRONG. I know this logically. I know he did more harm than good.
At any end of the spectrum, what he did was wrong. What good did he do?
Before he commited the act of murder and something bad. He must have provided the world with something good. Peole aren't just black and white. Good or bad. They are good and bad. And sometimes they do a lot of bad.
I can give you a long list of highly influential people that have either killed or raped children. Do they deserve an ounce of credit for their influences prior to their crimes? Do they deserve that?
"Yeah he is a pedophile .... BUT I kinda feel bad for him because he helped and touched (no pun) so many peoples lives"
The deserve nothing at all. They have given nothing to this world. Their existence damaged people and/or took lives. The didn't even deserve to exist.
So no, they don't even deserve an ounce of credit for anything they've done.
But we give them an ounce of credit for the bad they have done? We only give them what they want by reflecting on negativity.
Just ebcause someone is bad doesn't mean they lose face as a human being. There is a little bit of light in the shadows and there is a lot of shadow in light. Everything is part of something. He was clearly a disturbed individual, but he was still human.
Human like his victims and human like us. What he did was wrong, I do not condone what he has done. But he doesn't lose face as a person or a human because of what he had done.
25 May 2014, 7:20 pm
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26 May 2014, 8:42 pm
CockneyRebel wrote:
I've just finished watching those two videos and the way that guy talked about women was very creepy. I didn't go to college to have sex, I went to college to learn.
Yeah, I just wanted to go to college to learn, too - well, that and to get a reprieve from my stepmom's nagging, criticism and overall negativity.
Btw, CockneyRebel, I was in the car with my mom and sister today, and the Kinks song "Lola" was playing on the radio and I immediately thought of you.
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26 May 2014, 10:57 pm
LtlPinkCoupe wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I've just finished watching those two videos and the way that guy talked about women was very creepy. I didn't go to college to have sex, I went to college to learn.
Yeah, I just wanted to go to college to learn, too - well, that and to get a reprieve from my stepmom's nagging, criticism and overall negativity.
Btw, CockneyRebel, I was in the car with my mom and sister today, and the Kinks song "Lola" was playing on the radio and I immediately thought of you.
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