Five Generations of Asperger Syndrome

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29 Jul 2014, 1:54 pm

Here's what I'm thinking.....

You've never been close to "Bill"----you've always wanted to be----quite simply, we always want what we can't have. You and Bill will, most probably, never be close, and you, as you said, need to let it go.....

I suggest NOT ever talking to him again regarding your diagnosis----cuz, when you do, you'll have expectations----it's only human nature. I suggest writing him a letter----and never sending it! I've done this many-a-time. When you write, you don't have interruptions from the person to whom you're "speaking". You can take a couple of days to write it, if necessary----though, I've never experienced this cuz once you get started, you'd be surprised how the "flood-gates" will open. Make a list, if necessary, of the things you need to get off your chest----how he treated you when you were a kid, how cold he is to everyone, how he's so uncaring of your siblings, how uncaring he was when you told him of your dx----etc., etc., etc. Though, again, I don't think you'll need this either, cuz of those flood-gates. It's totally true / important that you need to get this off your chest ("let it go"), but if you do this, verbally, you're only asking for more hurt, beause it will never be how you want it to be.

Then, after you've written your letter, BURN IT (let it go)! !! This may sound too simplistic to work, but I can't emphasize enough how theraputic it is. Like I said, I've done it several times----and still, every time, I am amazed at how "it" (whatever was troubling me) just goes away.

Also, don't ever look to anyone else / ask anyone else to validate you----they'll never do it to satisfy you----you are the only one that needs to be okay with you!

My siblings and I don't get along, for much of the same reasons as you described, and I know how badly it can suck rocks! I truly hope you can find peace with this.

Take care,

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29 Jul 2014, 5:22 pm

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I'm almost positive I have three generations of Asperger's-Autism Spectrum in my family: my grandmother (mother's side), my mother, and me and my sister. In addition, my sister's two children might be Spectrum-friendly or Spectrum-lite. And going back one generation further, my grandmother's father, well, he didn't get married till his 40s, he got an outside walking job for 'health' reasons although this may have really been sensory issues, . . . well, weakly suggestive, but the fact that his daughter was strongly Spectrum, he may well have been, too. So, I might have five generations in my own family, too.

And you are quite right that something as significant as the Asperger's-Autism Spectrum when it affects five generations should certainly be talked about. But, as I'm sure you also know, being right is not enough. It's like the Vietnam War, clearly a very harmful war, but some of the opposition was effective and some of it wasn't.

It seems as though the person who can be most helped is Bill's granddaughter, your great niece, right? And your biggest resource is your Sis, and maybe she can be a sounding board and/or the two of you together can help to educate this girl's father. And go slow. Just the idea that Autism is a Spectrum is a lot to wrap your mind around at first.

Please don't automatically assume this girl is getting good 'help.' A lot might depend on the personal skills of a teacher's aide if she receiving help in this fashion. To me, it seems obvious that a person on the Spectrum should "play to strength and be matter-of-fact about deficiencies." But a lot of psychology goes the other way and really wants you to focus and fixate on the deficiencies. For example, when I was a child I was good at organizing and leadership, getting other kids involved in playing tag games in this great tall grass, and later on when I was about age 10 helping to organize backyard carnivals inspired by McDonald's commercial where they advertised their kit for carnivals, but we largely did it on their own. What I'm not so good at is this casual hanging out in groups any larger than me and one other person, where we're just standing around and the conversation bounces from one loosely connected topic to another. I mean, I kind of get it, but I don't get the point, at least not for any kind of extended period of time. So, I don't want to become a poor imitation of a quote-unquote 'normal' person whatever that means anyway. I mean, no such thing as 'normal' and how boring a place the world would be if there were! :jester: I want to explore and go ahead and develop myself and allow to grow and be open to accepting better versions of myself.


You might also be potentially be able to help Bill's son, who I take it is probably a middle-aged guy in his 40s? With a lot of years of life ahead of him.

And please trust your gut instincts regarding all of this. I don't think you need to be 'tough' where none of this hurts. In some ways, I think it's better to be human.

*****
Very interesting and very good advice; thank you. Actually I think my grandniece has gotten good help. She has processing disorder, an inability to properly process input into the brain. It is often a symptom of autism. She didn't speak at all until she was nearly four, and even then she could only say a few words. But her parents put her in a special needs class, and now she's 11 and speaks just fine. In fact, she's turning out to be a very talented actress, singer and dancer. She still has trouble processing info, and is aware that she's "different," but gets loving support all around. And when she goes on stage, all her problems seem to disappear and she shines.

Bill's son, Bill Jr., is now 40, yes. His younger sister is the mother of my grandniece. I used to babysit Bill Jr., which is when I noticed his symptoms. He seems fine now, though, so he apparently recovered from his AS.



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29 Jul 2014, 5:24 pm

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
I'm almost positive I have three generations of Asperger's-Autism Spectrum in my family: my grandmother (mother's side), my mother, and me and my sister. In addition, my sister's two children might be Spectrum-friendly or Spectrum-lite. And going back one generation further, my grandmother's father, well, he didn't get married till his 40s, he got an outside walking job for 'health' reasons although this may have really been sensory issues, . . . well, weakly suggestive, but the fact that his daughter was strongly Spectrum, he may well have been, too. So, I might have five generations in my own family, too.

And you are quite right that something as significant as the Asperger's-Autism Spectrum when it affects five generations should certainly be talked about. But, as I'm sure you also know, being right is not enough. It's like the Vietnam War, clearly a very harmful war, but some of the opposition was effective and some of it wasn't.

It seems as though the person who can be most helped is Bill's granddaughter, your great niece, right? And your biggest resource is your Sis, and maybe she can be a sounding board and/or the two of you together can help to educate this girl's father. And go slow. Just the idea that Autism is a Spectrum is a lot to wrap your mind around at first.

Please don't automatically assume this girl is getting good 'help.' A lot might depend on the personal skills of a teacher's aide if she receiving help in this fashion. To me, it seems obvious that a person on the Spectrum should "play to strength and be matter-of-fact about deficiencies." But a lot of psychology goes the other way and really wants you to focus and fixate on the deficiencies. For example, when I was a child I was good at organizing and leadership, getting other kids involved in playing tag games in this great tall grass, and later on when I was about age 10 helping to organize backyard carnivals inspired by McDonald's commercial where they advertised their kit for carnivals, but we largely did it on their own. What I'm not so good at is this casual hanging out in groups any larger than me and one other person, where we're just standing around and the conversation bounces from one loosely connected topic to another. I mean, I kind of get it, but I don't get the point, at least not for any kind of extended period of time. So, I don't want to become a poor imitation of a quote-unquote 'normal' person whatever that means anyway. I mean, no such thing as 'normal' and how boring a place the world would be if there were! :jester: I want to explore and go ahead and develop myself and allow to grow and be open to accepting better versions of myself.


You might also be potentially be able to help Bill's son, who I take it is probably a middle-aged guy in his 40s? With a lot of years of life ahead of him.

And please trust your gut instincts regarding all of this. I don't think you need to be 'tough' where none of this hurts. In some ways, I think it's better to be human.

*****
Very interesting and very good advice; thank you. Actually I think my grandniece has gotten good help. She has processing disorder, an inability to properly process input into the brain. It is often a symptom of autism. She didn't speak at all until she was nearly four, and even then she could only say a few words. But her parents put her in a special needs class, and now she's 11 and speaks just fine. In fact, she's turning out to be a very talented actress, singer and dancer. She still has trouble processing info, and is aware that she's "different," but gets loving support all around. And when she goes on stage, all her problems seem to disappear and she shines.

Bill's son, Bill Jr., is now 40, yes. His younger sister is the mother of my grandniece. I used to babysit Bill Jr., which is when I noticed his symptoms. He seems fine now, though, so he apparently recovered from his AS.



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29 Jul 2014, 5:30 pm

arielhawksquill wrote:
higgie wrote:
after telling him I had AS I had naively expected him to apologize.


Did you pre-think this encounter a lot and imagine it going down this way before hand? Maybe the reason you can't let go is just the emotional reaction some of us get when things don't happen the way we expected them to...


Yes, I thought it through, and clearly, I thought wrong! I thought my brother had enough of a conscience to express some regret for his past cruelty to me, and to acknowledge that he realized I wasn't what he once thought. But he just couldn't even be bothered.



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29 Jul 2014, 5:35 pm

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Higgie, you care and you are hurt because it does hurt. Contrary to popular belief many people on the Spectrum feel emotions extremely deeply. We feel them deeper than NT's usually do and when we are hurt we are hurt to the core. You are hurt because no matter how much you think you should not care, this is your family. He is your brother. You have a history with him and you were expecting some kind of bond to form once you discovered the reason for your trouble and once you realized that you had this commonality with your family. This is normal. And the fact that he rejected you again really stings and that is a very deep hurt. So it's perfectly understandable that you feel the way you feel. You can't change him but you can use this opportunity to get closer to your sister. Perhaps your brother will come around one day but he might not. It might just have to be a pain that you have to work through. It sucks but you might not be able to reach him and get close to him through this.


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Thank you so much for your understanding. Your assessment of this situation is right on the money. You're quite right. I just have to wait for the pain to pass. And it will. Time is a great healer. Thank you again.



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29 Jul 2014, 5:42 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
Here's what I'm thinking.....

You've never been close to "Bill"----you've always wanted to be----quite simply, we always want what we can't have. You and Bill will, most probably, never be close, and you, as you said, need to let it go.....

I suggest NOT ever talking to him again regarding your diagnosis----cuz, when you do, you'll have expectations----it's only human nature. I suggest writing him a letter----and never sending it! I've done this many-a-time. When you write, you don't have interruptions from the person to whom you're "speaking". You can take a couple of days to write it, if necessary----though, I've never experienced this cuz once you get started, you'd be surprised how the "flood-gates" will open. Make a list, if necessary, of the things you need to get off your chest----how he treated you when you were a kid, how cold he is to everyone, how he's so uncaring of your siblings, how uncaring he was when you told him of your dx----etc., etc., etc. Though, again, I don't think you'll need this either, cuz of those flood-gates. It's totally true / important that you need to get this off your chest ("let it go"), but if you do this, verbally, you're only asking for more hurt, beause it will never be how you want it to be.

Then, after you've written your letter, BURN IT (let it go)! !! This may sound too simplistic to work, but I can't emphasize enough how theraputic it is. Like I said, I've done it several times----and still, every time, I am amazed at how "it" (whatever was troubling me) just goes away.

Also, don't ever look to anyone else / ask anyone else to validate you----they'll never do it to satisfy you----you are the only one that needs to be okay with you!

My siblings and I don't get along, for much of the same reasons as you described, and I know how badly it can suck rocks! I truly hope you can find peace with this.

Take care,

Cat

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Cat, that is great advice. I will not try to talk to Bill about my dx, but I'll definitely write that letter, but only in my computer's hard drive (not as an email because I might accidentally send it!). I'm sure it will be a great release. My brother Bill is very much like my father, who I'm convinced had AS. I came to accept the fact that I could never hope for caring from my father, and I made peace with that. I'm sure I'll be able to do the same with Bill.







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29 Jul 2014, 5:47 pm

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There is this saying:

"Don't waste time trying to teach a pig to tap dance; it will just exhaust you, and annoy the pig".

Your understandable feelings of deep hurt arise more from the past (I think) than what is happening now. You won't change his behaviour, you can't. But you can have a life built on deep self-understanding know and come to terms to what happened, who you are, and go forward playing to your strengths. Best wishes for the journey ahead.


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Thank you so much for your understanding and kind wishes. Yes, my hurt does arise from the past. What my sister said was nothing I didn't already know, but hearing it again brought back the pain. And yes, I will go on and play to my strengths! Thank you, and best wishes to you too! -- higgie



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30 Jul 2014, 9:36 am

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Cat, that is great advice. I will not try to talk to Bill about my dx, but I'll definitely write that letter, but only in my computer's hard drive (not as an email because I might accidentally send it!). I'm sure it will be a great release. My brother Bill is very much like my father, who I'm convinced had AS. I came to accept the fact that I could never hope for caring from my father, and I made peace with that. I'm sure I'll be able to do the same with Bill.



Actually, I meant for you to hand-write it. Maybe it's just me, but using actual paper and pen, is better. Maybe it is that it makes it more of a task----you know, like physical labor, maybe? I dunno.....

Also, maybe part of the problem in letting-go with Bill is because you somehow transferred your wanting your father's approval, to wanting your (oldest ?) brother's approval??? Maybe it's like a "gender-specific" thing----males seek the approval of males??