Who else here can't do mental math & doesn't know x tabl

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31 Aug 2014, 2:13 pm

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Beyond seeing patterns with numbers when performing arithmetic, I also need a calculator. I would have to "know" the answer or how to get there (like a trick to take away 2 or 3 from 10, add by tens then add back in what was taken out, can be used to multiply too).

As to the cashier part, I'm a cashier, have been one too many times to count as it is a readily available job to me-- I would grab a calculator anyway, right in front of the customer and this situation has happened:

Customer: You need a calculator to do basic math!? (WTF)
Me: I want to make sure I don't accidentally give you back the wrong change.
Customer: (silence)
Me: That change is .... here you go! Have a great day! (smiles)

I think they would be happy I wanted to be correct, and they probably still thought I was a moron, but hey, for minimum wage, whaddya expect!? haha :D


Oddly enough, advanced maths and theory was easy for me to pick up, I knew WHY counting worked before I knew HOW to count, if that makes any sense. Also aced Calculus while struggling with very basic algebra at the end of solutions.

Hmmm... interesting topic. :)



I bet they wanted the wrong change so they have more money in their pocket. :wink:


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31 Aug 2014, 5:28 pm

I'm in the same boat too. For the most part I still need to use my fingers for basic adding and subtracting problems, though if it is obvious enough (like 10+40 or 55-5) I can do it without my fingers.



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31 Aug 2014, 7:43 pm

AspergersActor8693 wrote:
if it is obvious enough (like 10+40 or 55-5) I can do it without my fingers.
Same here. I don't need my fingers or a calculator for this.



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31 Aug 2014, 9:32 pm

I find I can do mental math much faster when I can come up with shortcuts for various common equations (i.e. a quarter, a dime, and a nickel = 40 cents).



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31 Aug 2014, 9:45 pm

kirayng wrote:
Beyond seeing patterns with numbers when performing arithmetic, I also need a calculator. I would have to "know" the answer or how to get there (like a trick to take away 2 or 3 from 10, add by tens then add back in what was taken out, can be used to multiply too).

As to the cashier part, I'm a cashier, have been one too many times to count as it is a readily available job to me-- I would grab a calculator anyway, right in front of the customer and this situation has happened:

Customer: You need a calculator to do basic math!? (WTF)
Me: I want to make sure I don't accidentally give you back the wrong change.
Customer: (silence)
Me: That change is .... here you go! Have a great day! (smiles)

I think they would be happy I wanted to be correct, and they probably still thought I was a moron, but hey, for minimum wage, whaddya expect!? haha :D


Oddly enough, advanced maths and theory was easy for me to pick up, I knew WHY counting worked before I knew HOW to count, if that makes any sense. Also aced Calculus while struggling with very basic algebra at the end of solutions.

Hmmm... interesting topic. :)
A+ for the way you handled that customer's remark :wtg:
If I ever saw or was with a cashier that used a calculator to calculate the change, I certainly wouldn't say anything, as I myself would need one as well.

If it would were me in your scenario, I personally would have said "Yeah, well, not everyone is good at mental math."



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02 Sep 2014, 11:17 pm

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For whatever reason, I was always good at mental math. When I was younger (either 1st or 2nd grade), I remember memorizing the multiplication tables for fun. It was more a game than anything.

My two kids, on the other hand, are not good at mental math. I tried my best to get them to practice it (asking them to solve simple problem whenever we took the dog on walks). It never worked. To this day, I have seen my younger daughter use her fingers to do fairly rudimentary math calculations. Thank goodness both carry a powerful computer (i.e. mobile phone) wherever they go.
Yup, that's good. I'm sure tons of people use the calculator on their iPhone (or whatever smartphone they have) pretty much everyday.



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03 Sep 2014, 12:48 am

It's strange to think of the times table as math. That's just something you memorize when you're in elementary school. I suppose it was just the environment I came from.



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03 Sep 2014, 4:20 am

I'm the opposite. When I was in primary school I could work out any multiplication question where both numbers are two digits. My skill in mental arithmacy is borderline savant.

Despite this, I've never been a particularly great maths student, though I get A's when I apply myself.



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04 Sep 2014, 1:32 am

Beyond primary school, most people can't do mental arithmetic.

Every store I've ever worked in keeps a calculator for the situation you described. Even if their employees could calculate correct change mentally, they wouldn't be trusted to hand it to the customer without checking on the calculator just in case.



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04 Sep 2014, 4:14 pm

Couldn't memorize times tables at all, family and school assumed I was slow (serious tests and what not). I gave up trying to learn math after that, hated it for years but now I am slowly getting over it and trying to learn more calculations, theory and history behind it. I am still really terrible at it though and many times I have thought I am dumb over not knowing my math as well and not being able to do it in my head like others.



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05 Sep 2014, 3:01 am

Tiffany_Aching wrote:
Beyond primary school, most people can't do mental arithmetic.

Every store I've ever worked in keeps a calculator for the situation you described. Even if their employees could calculate correct change mentally, they wouldn't be trusted to hand it to the customer without checking on the calculator just in case.
EVERY store?...... wow. I hope that if I ever have to work as a cashier I work at a store like that. (so that I won't have to bring my own) :lol:



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05 Sep 2014, 7:05 pm

I can do times tables, though I usually count it on my hands anyway. I can do most mental maths but only if it's adding, I can't takeaway in my head at all.



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05 Sep 2014, 11:27 pm

Let me just say that these days the schools do not do a good job at teaching math and some person with not much brains at all decided to teach math in a very un-intelligent way. So it is no one's fault under 30 or 20 or whatever age group was affected by this less than stellar method at teaching math, that they are unable to do mental math. Yes I can do mental math and I was a cashier at one time. Mental math comes in handy when I need to leave a 15% tip at a restaurant or the hair salon. I can do mental math to a point and could not do large numbers multiplied in my head and maybe I could if I really practiced.


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06 Sep 2014, 12:07 am

math is an enemy of mine. in primary school i lagged behind seemingly everybody else when it came to single digit times tables. i stayed home after school once and did them with help just to catch up.
i actually found division to be a bit easier.

when i was told that simple multiplication was repeated addition (controversial, is it?!) i understood, but i was also told that division was "repeated subtraction" and i still find it hard to work that out.

mental math is easy for me if it involves simple addition/multlipication with numbers ending in 5 or 0, doesn't really matter the size. i'm not very good at seeing patterns in numbers so anything else isn't easy for me. might still be able to do it in my head but it's faster to use a calculator.


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06 Sep 2014, 12:17 am

Multiplication is repeated addition, but division is it's own thing entirely. It's similar to subtraction in that your end result is smaller than what you start with, but that's where the similarities end.



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06 Sep 2014, 12:49 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Multiplication is repeated addition, but division is it's own thing entirely. It's similar to subtraction in that your end result is smaller than what you start with, but that's where the similarities end.

i knew there was something fishy about that "repeated subtraction" claim. i could never for the life of me wrap my head around it. :duh:


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