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19 Jun 2015, 9:51 pm

^ :lol:

It probably made her day :wink:


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20 Jun 2015, 1:17 am

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Had a huge verbal off-load today. This doesn't happen very often. I'm all worded out. Was just thinking how my speech improves significantly during an info-dump. Still stumble over a few words but almost become eloquent. Why can't I speak like that all the time?

That's all.
I'll shut up now.


If you had someone to info dump onto about your interests, for example victim A will just sit on a chair and listen for hours, only occasionally asking questions for clarification, would you be able to verbally offload/sign for prolonged periods on a regular basis?



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20 Jun 2015, 2:19 am

I noticed that myself when I get mentally exited I feel like Sherlock Holmes making a deduction, vocabulary increases, awareness increases, my speech speeds up. This happens when info dumping or when I get an adrenaline rush when working fast food, or when watching Sherlock. My mind will race and I have to make a conscious effort to slow my speech down if talking. It feels great at first the adrenaline rush along with the dopamine boost. It becomes mentally euphoric ,but It is not sustainable. When I get excited like this I have to slow down or I will begin to become over stimulated and I crash both mentally and emotionally. I work fast food, as said earlier, and I have to be careful when I become mentally pumped from tthe fast paced adrenaline filled stress not to allow myself to become too excited as it leads me to become over stimulated which is bad. I avoid this by distancing my thoughts from the situation and allowing my mind to wander to a special interest and go into a sort of auto pilot.


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20 Jun 2015, 4:02 am

It makes sense.

Do you ever reherse or otherwise plan for conversations? (e.g. you need to call a business about a service, or you have a meeting at work, or you have to talk a family member into not doing something that's ticking you off, etc) Having a chance to plan makes a big difference in my communication ability. If I can't plan, I have to think of everything on the fly and it's way too hard. What is the other person saying, and what other factors of the situation should affect my understanding of what they're saying? What did that pronoun mean? What are all my options for expressing my ideas, and how will the other person most likely react to each of those options? How should I word this? Grammar?? How do words even work again??! 8O That's way too much stuff to try to think about during the conversation. Even if the conversation takes an unexpected turn (which is always the case to at least some extent), being able to think about to think about it in advance frees up some "brain energy" which can then be used to actually communicate well.

Anyway, I think when something is an interest for you, all the time you spend thinking about it or reading about it or anything will effectively work the same way as rehersing a conversation, except probably a lot more.



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20 Jun 2015, 4:04 am

I can't remember the last time when I've said more than a sentence at a time.

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20 Jun 2015, 4:39 am

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Not so long ago, someone posted on here about reading aloud to improve verbal dexterity.

To me, that requires a slightly different skill-set. Not that it isn't useful, but, it in a way it is a passive activity, with no real interaction. With real conversation you need to think about what you are going to say and how you want to say it. Maybe watching the news and giving your opinion about something for a few minutes before you have something to eat?



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20 Jun 2015, 4:45 am

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If you had someone to info dump onto about your interests, for example victim A will just sit on a chair and listen for hours, only occasionally asking questions for clarification, would you be able to verbally offload/sign for prolonged periods on a regular basis?

I think so yes. I suppose that's what I do with my psychologist now. When I first started seeing him I couldn't even speak coherently. I had to type everything on my iPad. Now I have in-depth, verbal (quite expensive) conversations with him. I don't think I would feel right info-dumping on someone on a regular basis without some kind of compensation.
Interestingly, using sign language doesn't give anywhere near the same kind of excitement or satisfaction as using speech.


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20 Jun 2015, 4:55 am

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I noticed that myself when I get mentally exited I feel like Sherlock Holmes making a deduction, vocabulary increases, awareness increases, my speech speeds up. This happens when info dumping or when I get an adrenaline rush when working fast food, or when watching Sherlock. My mind will race and I have to make a conscious effort to slow my speech down if talking. It feels great at first the adrenaline rush along with the dopamine boost. It becomes mentally euphoric ,but It is not sustainable. When I get excited like this I have to slow down or I will begin to become over stimulated and I crash both mentally and emotionally. I work fast food, as said earlier, and I have to be careful when I become mentally pumped from tthe fast paced adrenaline filled stress not to allow myself to become too excited as it leads me to become over stimulated which is bad.

I know what you mean. I find myself getting quite shaky like some kind of junkie and I'll have animated mental conversations with myself for hours afterward - like a re-run, or adding things in I could have said etc. It's bizarre.


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20 Jun 2015, 6:17 am

Hmmm..... Maybe this is why stutterers don't stutter, when they sing? I've often thought it was because the words were laid-out, for them.....

Raleigh: I think you said something like "harnessing the power for 'regular' conversation"----I agree with those who said to practice. I was gonna add that we spend sooooo much time on our special interests, we need to spend that much time on practicing conversations (though, it will be totally boring)----but, someone, also, already said that----BUT, I might add what I posted, for someone else.....


It might be a good idea to get a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle. On the left side, write a social "thing" (ie. what to say when someone says: "Nice weather, we're having, huh?"); then, on the right side, write the response (ie. "Yeah, I'm really looking forward, to summer!")----stuff, like that. Then, when you've listed, say, at least, 10----and, your responses----just study them every day, so that they just pop in your mind, automatically.

Here's some ideas:

1. See above.

2. "Hey, how 'bout those Mariners, huh?" (If you're in another country, substitute with YOUR country's sports team.) Your response could be (because you've kept-up with pop-culture----even in the most minimal way, just so you are prepared, for this----and, because you said you're good at reading social cues, and will be able to tell whether the person's facial expression / tone-of-voice is negative or positive): "I didn't get to see the game----but, I heard it was EXCELLENT!" (See, by reading / listening to the mornings top news stories, you knew who the Mariners [or, whomever, in your country] WERE----AND, by saying "I didn't see the game", you're cutting-off them asking your opinion about it----BUT, you sounded interested / engaging, in what THEY were saying / interested-in----and, that's, pretty much, all anybody wants, anyway.)

3. "Seen any good movies, lately?"; "Nah, I'm not really that into movies..... How 'bout, YOU----seen anything, really good, lately?" (One never knows----they might mention a movie about robots, or something, and because YOU like them [JUST an example----I obviously don't know what you like], it opens-up a conversation----even though you didn't see the movie.)

4. "Man, I can't remember the last time I had enough money to go-out, to eat!"; "Oh, man----that's a bummer----I can relate----what types of food, do you like to eat?" (This lets the person know you heard them, and also shows you're giving something of yourself, BACK to them.)

5. "OMG, these people are makin' me so sick, I'm about to PUKE!"; (chuckle) "Yeah, I know what you mean----they're not ALL bad, though----at least, I like that they speak their mind----that way, I don't ever have to wonder, where I stand." (Again, you heard the person, are engaging----AND, you might get them to come-down, a little bit, from, possibly, going-off on a tangent, or whatever.)

ALL of these situations may vary, depending on your country----maybe, for instance, there are some things that you've never heard people talk-about, where you are----you have to write on your paper, the most common things you've heard people say, at YOUR location, and then write things that YOU think, will be good responses. Suggestion: Write them, in PENCIL!! LOL





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20 Jun 2015, 8:59 am

Raleigh wrote:
Not so long ago, someone posted on here about reading aloud to improve verbal dexterity. I tried reading aloud from 'Lord of the Rings'. It didn't work. It just transported me back to high school when I was asked to read aloud from a science textbook and I said 'orgasms' instead of 'organisms'. As soon as I thought about this, I became worried that I would mix up Bilbo's name and say dildo instead, so I quit.


Hee hee hee, Dildo Baggins! That's Bilbo's pervy cousin, right? When I was very young, I once spoke in front of my mother and my piano teacher (who fit all the stuffy old lady piano teacher stereotypes) of my aunt who "lived in a condom." I meant condo, short for condominium, but I didn't know the difference at the time. I didn't know I'd said anything wrong until I saw their horrified faces.

LotR is not a good choice for out-loud reading. (Although it is a fantastic read, no insult meant to Tolkien.) It is too wordy and full of Old English and made-up names and words and languages. Try something easier; a fluff book that is in no way a difficult read. Maybe Harry Potter? (Although that was also a good read, no insult meant to Rowling; it is just not as difficult or fancy as LotR)


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20 Jun 2015, 8:26 pm

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Raleigh wrote:
LotR is not a good choice for out-loud reading. (Although it is a fantastic read, no insult meant to Tolkien.) It is too wordy and full of Old English and made-up names and words and languages. Try something easier; a fluff book that is in no way a difficult read. Maybe Harry Potter? (Although that was also a good read, no insult meant to Rowling; it is just not as difficult or fancy as LotR)

This is the irony of stuttering: I can pronounce difficult words easily. In fact, I LOVE saying words like Minas Tirith or golgi apparatus. Then I will get totally tripped up on a simple word such as 'do'.


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20 Jun 2015, 9:03 pm

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Hmmm..... Maybe this is why stutterers don't stutter, when they sing? I've often thought it was because the words were laid-out, for them.....

Raleigh: I think you said something like "harnessing the power for 'regular' conversation"----I agree with those who said to practice. I was gonna add that we spend sooooo much time on our special interests, we need to spend that much time on practicing conversations (though, it will be totally boring)----but, someone, also, already said that----BUT, I might add what I posted, for someone else.....

Haha! I would have no problems with stuttering if I could sing everything. If only life were a musical...

Thanks for your suggestions. I do remember reading them in the other thread and I'll keep them in mind. Although - spending as much time on conversation as I do on my special interests?? 8O Are you trying to kill me?


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