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03 Jul 2015, 3:42 pm

Not to interrupt the descent into semantics, but:

Wolfram87 wrote:
an existential matryoshka doll

Lovely image for this! :)



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03 Jul 2015, 4:40 pm

I don't believe in the reality that most people insist on living in. I think they are delusional and that most of their reality is a type of shared imagination.
Other animals don't perceive their shared imagination and neither do I.



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03 Jul 2015, 6:37 pm

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What I like most about reality is that everyone gets to have their own version of it. :wink:

Brilliant! But you are not allowed to have more than one, and you need permission to make alterations :wink:


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04 Jul 2015, 3:43 pm

Adamantium wrote:
Not to interrupt the descent into semantics, but:

Wolfram87 wrote:
an existential matryoshka doll

Lovely image for this! :)


Many thanks :)


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04 Jul 2015, 5:02 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
Not to interrupt the descent into semantics, but:

Wolfram87 wrote:
an existential matryoshka doll

Lovely image for this! :)


Many thanks :)


Indeed 8) Re: Reality, it's overrated


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04 Jul 2015, 10:23 pm

If I see something that doesn't look right, particularly during dark nights or bright days, I start to panic because I think the universe is collapsing on the laws of reality.


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05 Jul 2015, 4:58 am

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I was just wondering, do you guys ever have trouble with things like believing in reality or being part of it, or imagining ghat other people think and are conscious?

I ask because as long as I can remember I just accepted that the world around me is what it looks like, so I never actually thought about it. Now, whenever I think too much about this kind of stuff, I just can't imagine it. Like I don't believe in it.

So, how about you guys?

I never gave this any thought until I was about 15-16. At that time I started experiencing what I think are dissociative episodes. I'd gone through some fairly distressing stuff at 14-15 years old, and have read that it's quite a normal response to traumatic situations. I just cut off from reality. I don't feel real and the world around me doesn't feel real and I will start wondering what reality actually is.
In my case I'm pretty sure it's down to the events that took place at that age, but that it just hasn't left me. I have never had a formal diagnosis of any dissociative disorder, but a couple of mental health professionals have said in their opinion I am experiencing that. I wouldn't know if it can be a part of ASD, but it would be interesting to find out.



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05 Jul 2015, 6:38 am

Been thinking for a long time about what life really is. Humans have complicated it.

I mean, so look at animals. They are born, survive, and sex and babies and die. The point is to live long enough to have babies. The environment around them changes so they have to adapt to fit it best. Only the strongest survive.

Humans are living under a false dome of things they have created and doesn't really matter, right? All this fancy BS and really at the end of the day the point is to find a human of the other gender and f**k it to create children. But you want to find the best one to f**k.

Point of life is... sex? And since I don't want sex I am defective and living in a false reality and using things that have no relevance and my feelings are not relevant to humanity either. So... there is no point in life to me, a defective human.

I dunno. :shrug: Anything I'm good at is irrelevant so I don't get why I'm alive. Reality is an illusion. Or maybe me thinking that is. I don't know. I just don't really understand anything.



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05 Jul 2015, 9:27 am

iliketrees wrote:
Been thinking for a long time about what life really is. Humans have complicated it.

I mean, so look at animals. They are born, survive, and sex and babies and die. The point is to live long enough to have babies. The environment around them changes so they have to adapt to fit it best. Only the strongest survive.

Humans are living under a false dome of things they have created and doesn't really matter, right? All this fancy BS and really at the end of the day the point is to find a human of the other gender and f**k it to create children. But you want to find the best one to f**k.

Point of life is... sex? And since I don't want sex I am defective and living in a false reality and using things that have no relevance and my feelings are not relevant to humanity either. So... there is no point in life to me, a defective human.

I dunno. :shrug: Anything I'm good at is irrelevant so I don't get why I'm alive. Reality is an illusion. Or maybe me thinking that is. I don't know. I just don't really understand anything.

I suppose when you strip it back to the very basics, that's what it originally came down to. But we have evolved so much, life, reality, what that means etc. has dramatically evolved from that very basic need. Plenty of people go through their lives without ever having children, but have plenty of meaning to their lives. Life doesn't have to mean nothing just because you don't want to have sex and have kids :)



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05 Jul 2015, 9:29 am

MoonAndStars wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
Been thinking for a long time about what life really is. Humans have complicated it.

I mean, so look at animals. They are born, survive, and sex and babies and die. The point is to live long enough to have babies. The environment around them changes so they have to adapt to fit it best. Only the strongest survive.

Humans are living under a false dome of things they have created and doesn't really matter, right? All this fancy BS and really at the end of the day the point is to find a human of the other gender and f**k it to create children. But you want to find the best one to f**k.

Point of life is... sex? And since I don't want sex I am defective and living in a false reality and using things that have no relevance and my feelings are not relevant to humanity either. So... there is no point in life to me, a defective human.

I dunno. :shrug: Anything I'm good at is irrelevant so I don't get why I'm alive. Reality is an illusion. Or maybe me thinking that is. I don't know. I just don't really understand anything.

I suppose when you strip it back to the very basics, that's what it originally came down to. But we have evolved so much, life, reality, what that means etc. has dramatically evolved from that very basic need. Plenty of people go through their lives without ever having children, but have plenty of meaning to their lives. Life doesn't have to mean nothing just because you don't want to have sex and have kids :)

But isn't whatever meaning they have just an illusion created by our brain whose primary role is to find someone to f**k? All this other stuff is just a distraction?



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05 Jul 2015, 9:37 am

After I watched The Truman Show as a teen, I started to wonder if my own life was just a TV show, and if the people I encountered during my daily life were just actors hired for that show. So I've had my own issues with doubting reality. Thankfully, these days, I seem to be pretty stable, in terms of accepting reality for what it is.


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05 Jul 2015, 9:48 am

iliketrees wrote:
Been thinking for a long time about what life really is. Humans have complicated it.

I mean, so look at animals. They are born, survive, and sex and babies and die. The point is to live long enough to have babies. The environment around them changes so they have to adapt to fit it best. Only the strongest survive.

Humans are living under a false dome of things they have created and doesn't really matter, right? All this fancy BS and really at the end of the day the point is to find a human of the other gender and f**k it to create children. But you want to find the best one to f**k.

Point of life is... sex? And since I don't want sex I am defective and living in a false reality and using things that have no relevance and my feelings are not relevant to humanity either. So... there is no point in life to me, a defective human.

I dunno. :shrug: Anything I'm good at is irrelevant so I don't get why I'm alive. Reality is an illusion. Or maybe me thinking that is. I don't know. I just don't really understand anything.



Some excellent points here. Anyone who thinks that the point of life is sex has missed the point. It's opinions like that that are defective, not you. I don't know what you're good at, although it's obvious from your posts on WP that you are a very intelligent and sensitive person. If you are good at something, the fact that you are good at it makes you and it relevant, regardless of what other people might think.

You say that you don't understand anything. That admission opens the door to understanding and wisdom.



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05 Jul 2015, 10:04 am

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Some excellent points here. Anyone who thinks that the point of life is sex has missed the point. It's opinions like that that are defective, not you. I don't know what you're good at, although it's obvious from your posts on WP that you are a very intelligent and sensitive person. If you are good at something, the fact that you are good at it makes you and it relevant, regardless of what other people might think.

You say that you don't understand anything. That admission opens the door to understanding and wisdom.

But that's my opinion. We're just animals with brains overdeveloped in perfect mate seeking that we've got distracted and many have gone defective to the original purpose. But just as well since humanity will have to reach a peak as we are overpopulating the world and resources will run out. Humans are becoming a risk to themselves.

I don't know what I'm good at either :? I imagine there is some use for me but I have yet to find it. So I'm not sure about the "very intelligent" part. What even is intelligence anyway? :?



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05 Jul 2015, 11:06 am

In my view while most people are made to continue the chain and have children, others are made with completely different strengths and purpose.

Others are made to help each move the human race along a completely different way, such as by creating systems, alternate ways of thinking, improving upon things, inventing things for the good of the collective. Or something similar to that.

I'm asexual so Im not really interested in sleeping with ppl either but it doesn't mean your defective.


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05 Jul 2015, 11:27 am

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creating systems, alternate ways of thinking, improving upon things, inventing things.

I do none of these so I am also useless to humanity as a whole.

I try not to think about this a lot :?



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05 Jul 2015, 11:31 am

olympiadis wrote:
I don't believe in the reality that most people insist on living in. I think they are delusional and that most of their reality is a type of shared imagination.
Other animals don't perceive their shared imagination and neither do I.


Great post! I've felt this way most of my life. For example, I feel cities or "developed" areas are like shared human dreams made physical. That can be kind of fun, briefly, as a form of mental play. But so many people seem to take those dreams as reality, which is then depressing.