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30 Aug 2015, 12:19 am

Since I belong to a culture that doesn't eat much wheat-based products to begin with, cutting it out (if I wanted to) would probably yield very little effect.

Plus, considering how much more expensive gluten free stuff is (plus they are not necessary more healthy; they have to add more fillers as substitute the gluten, as they have practical purposes!), the current trend reeks of a fad diet invented to rake in cash.

As mentioned before, only approx 10% people (Americans?! Could be higher in populations not used to wheat, like lactose?!) actually have coeliac disease. Stuff like irritable bowel syndrome and minor stuff can, as be triggered by other stuff, placebos (they can be ludicrously powerful) or even altered micro-biota due to excessive cleanliness.

Some of you also mentioned exercise, which is something nutritionists (usually the ones harping on about a diet or something) always fails to include in their studies, helps a lot with improving normal body functions. Increased circulation and whatnot.

Oh, and unless you just had a massive bout of diarrhoea, doses of wide-spectrum antibiotics and what not, you really shouldn't need to take probiotics regularly. I lot of health problems these days are suggested to be due to our overenthusiastic intake of supplements we don't really need.



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30 Aug 2015, 12:38 am

Thanks for the replies and critical thought guys, this is some useful info.

Something I wonder about is that I get massively brain foggy after eating lunch.
I'm not really sure why that is, maybe it's just a general thing. But at the same time I'm really having a hard time to focus then. Usually I would eat wheat products at that time too.
*google*
Humph, https://contactzilla.com/blog/battle-lu ... ity-slump/
but again, these are just possibilities.
In school I used to eat some bread with baked cheese and be attention-impaired for a few hours.

I wish I knew for sure what is causing this brain fog.



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31 Aug 2015, 9:40 am

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Since I belong to a culture that doesn't eat much wheat-based products to begin with, cutting it out (if I wanted to) would probably yield very little effect.

Plus, considering how much more expensive gluten free stuff is (plus they are not necessary more healthy; they have to add more fillers as substitute the gluten, as they have practical purposes!), the current trend reeks of a fad diet invented to rake in cash.

As mentioned before, only approx 10% people (Americans?! Could be higher in populations not used to wheat, like lactose?!) actually have coeliac disease. Stuff like irritable bowel syndrome and minor stuff can, as be triggered by other stuff, placebos (they can be ludicrously powerful) or even altered micro-biota due to excessive cleanliness.

Some of you also mentioned exercise, which is something nutritionists (usually the ones harping on about a diet or something) always fails to include in their studies, helps a lot with improving normal body functions. Increased circulation and whatnot.

Oh, and unless you just had a massive bout of diarrhoea, doses of wide-spectrum antibiotics and what not, you really shouldn't need to take probiotics regularly. I lot of health problems these days are suggested to be due to our overenthusiastic intake of supplements we don't really need.


1) It's not necessary to eat as many carbs as most people eat, so cutting gluten out doesn't have to mean replacing baked good with expensive gluten free ones. Just stop eating all those starchy complex carbs.

2) This is flat out wrong. If I don't take my daily dose of probiotics I DEFINITELY notice a difference in brain functions. I don't pretend to know the micro-details, but I do know that my enteric nervous system doesn't function properly without them & that daily doses both orally & rectally get it functioning at much more optimal levels and my ASD symptoms are minimized.


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31 Aug 2015, 9:47 am

Earthling wrote:
Thanks for the replies and critical thought guys, this is some useful info.

Something I wonder about is that I get massively brain foggy after eating lunch.
I'm not really sure why that is, maybe it's just a general thing. But at the same time I'm really having a hard time to focus then. Usually I would eat wheat products at that time too.
*google*
Humph, https://contactzilla.com/blog/battle-lu ... ity-slump/
but again, these are just possibilities.
In school I used to eat some bread with baked cheese and be attention-impaired for a few hours.

I wish I knew for sure what is causing this brain fog.


PM me an email address and I'll send you my story. I bet you can relate to it & learn some things from the diet I've followed that's changed my health for the better.


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31 Aug 2015, 10:11 am

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If I don't take my daily dose of probiotics I DEFINITELY notice a difference in brain functions. I don't pretend to know the micro-details, but I do know that my enteric nervous system doesn't function properly without them & that daily doses both orally & rectally get it functioning at much more optimal levels and my ASD symptoms are minimized.[/b]


My impression is that person with a balanced gut microbiome should be able to eat ordinary foods without constantly reinforcing their microbiota.

If you have taken antibiotics, or had a severe illness, or food poisoning, or if you have Crohn's disease or celiac disease, you probably need to restore your gut microbiome. Otherwise it should be a self-sustaining system.

It seems that your regime is providing temporary relief of symptoms but not doing anything to rebalance your gut microbiome or restore it to health if you need oral and rectal doses every day in order to feel well.



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31 Aug 2015, 10:15 am

Adamantium wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
If I don't take my daily dose of probiotics I DEFINITELY notice a difference in brain functions. I don't pretend to know the micro-details, but I do know that my enteric nervous system doesn't function properly without them & that daily doses both orally & rectally get it functioning at much more optimal levels and my ASD symptoms are minimized.[/b]


My impression is that person with a balanced gut microbiome should be able to eat ordinary foods without constantly reinforcing their microbiota.

If you have taken antibiotics, or had a severe illness, or food poisoning, or if you have Crohn's disease or celiac disease, you probably need to restore your gut microbiome. Otherwise it should be a self-sustaining system.

It seems that your regime is providing temporary relief of symptoms but not doing anything to rebalance your gut microbiome or restore it to health if you need oral and rectal doses every day in order to feel well.

Yeah, a healthy colony of microbes in your G.I. tract and eating as much raw or minimally cooked foods as you can seems to be the most beneficial diet. Works for me anyways.


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31 Aug 2015, 11:58 am

glebel wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
If I don't take my daily dose of probiotics I DEFINITELY notice a difference in brain functions. I don't pretend to know the micro-details, but I do know that my enteric nervous system doesn't function properly without them & that daily doses both orally & rectally get it functioning at much more optimal levels and my ASD symptoms are minimized.[/b]


My impression is that person with a balanced gut microbiome should be able to eat ordinary foods without constantly reinforcing their microbiota.

If you have taken antibiotics, or had a severe illness, or food poisoning, or if you have Crohn's disease or celiac disease, you probably need to restore your gut microbiome. Otherwise it should be a self-sustaining system.

It seems that your regime is providing temporary relief of symptoms but not doing anything to rebalance your gut microbiome or restore it to health if you need oral and rectal doses every day in order to feel well.

Yeah, a healthy colony of microbes in your G.I. tract and eating as much raw or minimally cooked foods as you can seems to be the most beneficial diet. Works for me anyways.

There is a rumor in Poland that if you take probiotics everyday your body stops producing it's own microbiome and you can't stop buying the probiotics because you feel bad if you don't get the daily portion of bacteries from outside source. It takes a few days or weeks for the body to develop it's own microbiome again after stopping the probiotic intake and during that time you are more prone to catching a cold, having stomach problems etc. because your immunity is weakened.



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01 Sep 2015, 4:23 am

Adamantium wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
If I don't take my daily dose of probiotics I DEFINITELY notice a difference in brain functions. I don't pretend to know the micro-details, but I do know that my enteric nervous system doesn't function properly without them & that daily doses both orally & rectally get it functioning at much more optimal levels and my ASD symptoms are minimized.[/b]


My impression is that person with a balanced gut microbiome should be able to eat ordinary foods without constantly reinforcing their microbiota.

If you have taken antibiotics, or had a severe illness, or food poisoning, or if you have Crohn's disease or celiac disease, you probably need to restore your gut microbiome. Otherwise it should be a self-sustaining system.

It seems that your regime is providing temporary relief of symptoms but not doing anything to rebalance your gut microbiome or restore it to health if you need oral and rectal doses every day in order to feel well.


My experience is that I need to take them daily. Maybe my gut micribiome will never be balanced. Maybe like the mother of an autistic kid in "The Autism Enigma" episode of "The Nature of Things" said, maybe there are bacteria/?? spores that can never fully be gotten rid of - which is why she gives her son mass amounts of probiotics every day to keep ASD symptoms in check as best as possible.

I haven't taken antibiotics for months, nor had any of those other ailments. Clearly it's not a self sustaining system AND I'm not the only one on the autism spectrum who finds relief with daily probiotics. Why it's not self sustaining, I don't know, and it doesn't matter. All I need to know is that what I do works. By what exact biological mechanism I don't know or care - I'm curious, but I don't need to know. I have some guesses/theories that some bigger nerd than me might figure out some day. But I just know that the end result of what I do works for me and that's what matters.

To the contrary, I know that what I do definitely restores the gut flora.. as my symptoms were pretty terrible after a course of antibiotics last October. (other antibiotics since didn't seem to have as detrimental effect) It took several weeks to fully recover via daily probiotics. I believe they do build up and restore gut flora. However, to keep symptoms fully in check I take them daily - and it works. You do whatever works for you, I'll do what I'm doing and live better for it.


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01 Sep 2015, 8:36 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
If I don't take my daily dose of probiotics I DEFINITELY notice a difference in brain functions. I don't pretend to know the micro-details, but I do know that my enteric nervous system doesn't function properly without them & that daily doses both orally & rectally get it functioning at much more optimal levels and my ASD symptoms are minimized.[/b]


My impression is that person with a balanced gut microbiome should be able to eat ordinary foods without constantly reinforcing their microbiota.

If you have taken antibiotics, or had a severe illness, or food poisoning, or if you have Crohn's disease or celiac disease, you probably need to restore your gut microbiome. Otherwise it should be a self-sustaining system.

It seems that your regime is providing temporary relief of symptoms but not doing anything to rebalance your gut microbiome or restore it to health if you need oral and rectal doses every day in order to feel well.


My experience is that I need to take them daily. Maybe my gut micribiome will never be balanced. Maybe like the mother of an autistic kid in "The Autism Enigma" episode of "The Nature of Things" said, maybe there are bacteria/?? spores that can never fully be gotten rid of - which is why she gives her son mass amounts of probiotics every day to keep ASD symptoms in check as best as possible.

I haven't taken antibiotics for months, nor had any of those other ailments. Clearly it's not a self sustaining system AND I'm not the only one on the autism spectrum who finds relief with daily probiotics. Why it's not self sustaining, I don't know, and it doesn't matter. All I need to know is that what I do works. By what exact biological mechanism I don't know or care - I'm curious, but I don't need to know. I have some guesses/theories that some bigger nerd than me might figure out some day. But I just know that the end result of what I do works for me and that's what matters.

To the contrary, I know that what I do definitely restores the gut flora.. as my symptoms were pretty terrible after a course of antibiotics last October. (other antibiotics since didn't seem to have as detrimental effect) It took several weeks to fully recover via daily probiotics. I believe they do build up and restore gut flora. However, to keep symptoms fully in check I take them daily - and it works. You do whatever works for you, I'll do what I'm doing and live better for it.


Interesting.

Pure speculation, but it could be that you have a persistent negative balance with some entrenched harmful organisms dominating your gut microbiome. If so, it may be that a more lasting treatment will be possible through something like FMT. I hope they find something that works better for you.



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01 Sep 2015, 8:48 am

A long time ago I worked at an allergy clinic where I learned that often the way to "treat" something untreatable is to get all the other conditions under control. So let's say you have low immunity, allergies, and asthma. If you take antihistamines and get allergy shots to control your allergy symptoms, get inhalers for your asthma, you will stop getting sick so much, not because your immune system is better but because your body has enough energy to contribute to the weak immune system to keep you well.

I've always thought this is what's going on with autism and gluten (dairy and whatever else). If you're sensitive to a food and it makes you feel bad, your body will be busy with that. So when something comes along like too much social interaction or sensory issues, you can't deal with it. It's too much. But if you're physically well, you're rested, not hungry or thirsty, etc, you will have the energy to deal with things that would otherwise be overwhelming. You can't always take away the things causing the sensory problems and the social issues so it's good to modify your diet and other physical things to optimize your health.



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01 Sep 2015, 9:01 am

Goldfish. This stuff is kind of like the coconut oil thing. Some people swear by it. For others, it does jack. Same goes for glucosamine.

If if works for you, go for it. I'm just wary of people eating stuff that has pretty much unconfirmed benefits and risks. Too many pill-pushers these days.



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02 Sep 2015, 4:09 am

Adamantium wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
If I don't take my daily dose of probiotics I DEFINITELY notice a difference in brain functions. I don't pretend to know the micro-details, but I do know that my enteric nervous system doesn't function properly without them & that daily doses both orally & rectally get it functioning at much more optimal levels and my ASD symptoms are minimized.[/b]


My impression is that person with a balanced gut microbiome should be able to eat ordinary foods without constantly reinforcing their microbiota.

If you have taken antibiotics, or had a severe illness, or food poisoning, or if you have Crohn's disease or celiac disease, you probably need to restore your gut microbiome. Otherwise it should be a self-sustaining system.

It seems that your regime is providing temporary relief of symptoms but not doing anything to rebalance your gut microbiome or restore it to health if you need oral and rectal doses every day in order to feel well.


My experience is that I need to take them daily. Maybe my gut micribiome will never be balanced. Maybe like the mother of an autistic kid in "The Autism Enigma" episode of "The Nature of Things" said, maybe there are bacteria/?? spores that can never fully be gotten rid of - which is why she gives her son mass amounts of probiotics every day to keep ASD symptoms in check as best as possible.

I haven't taken antibiotics for months, nor had any of those other ailments. Clearly it's not a self sustaining system AND I'm not the only one on the autism spectrum who finds relief with daily probiotics. Why it's not self sustaining, I don't know, and it doesn't matter. All I need to know is that what I do works. By what exact biological mechanism I don't know or care - I'm curious, but I don't need to know. I have some guesses/theories that some bigger nerd than me might figure out some day. But I just know that the end result of what I do works for me and that's what matters.

To the contrary, I know that what I do definitely restores the gut flora.. as my symptoms were pretty terrible after a course of antibiotics last October. (other antibiotics since didn't seem to have as detrimental effect) It took several weeks to fully recover via daily probiotics. I believe they do build up and restore gut flora. However, to keep symptoms fully in check I take them daily - and it works. You do whatever works for you, I'll do what I'm doing and live better for it.


Interesting.

Pure speculation, but it could be that you have a persistent negative balance with some entrenched harmful organisms dominating your gut microbiome. If so, it may be that a more lasting treatment will be possible through something like FMT. I hope they find something that works better for you.


Could be. I know I've cleared the majority of it, but spores may persist. I know if I go back to eating certain foods for a bit that it affects brain functions negatively and I'll have to do an intestinal cleanse to hit the reset button and be back to better functioning. What's FMT? So far "they" haven't found anything - I've figured this out, and it's working better for me than anything else ever has.. but still, if there's something better, I'm all for it.


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02 Sep 2015, 4:13 am

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Goldfish. This stuff is kind of like the coconut oil thing. Some people swear by it. For others, it does jack. Same goes for glucosamine.

If if works for you, go for it. I'm just wary of people eating stuff that has pretty much unconfirmed benefits and risks. Too many pill-pushers these days.


What coconut oil "thing?" I eat/use coconut oil, not sure which purpose you're talking about.

Too many pill pushers? Oh the irony.. that'd be the pharmaceutical industry you're referring to, not herbs & living foods full or probiotics. Far too many people, IMO, are far too quick to pop whatever magic pill big pharma sells them hoping that it'll cure what ails them... when if they're lucky it may mask symptoms so they're comfortable enough to keep buying more magic beans, err, pills.


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Kiriae wrote:
glebel wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
If I don't take my daily dose of probiotics I DEFINITELY notice a difference in brain functions. I don't pretend to know the micro-details, but I do know that my enteric nervous system doesn't function properly without them & that daily doses both orally & rectally get it functioning at much more optimal levels and my ASD symptoms are minimized.[/b]


My impression is that person with a balanced gut microbiome should be able to eat ordinary foods without constantly reinforcing their microbiota.

If you have taken antibiotics, or had a severe illness, or food poisoning, or if you have Crohn's disease or celiac disease, you probably need to restore your gut microbiome. Otherwise it should be a self-sustaining system.

It seems that your regime is providing temporary relief of symptoms but not doing anything to rebalance your gut microbiome or restore it to health if you need oral and rectal doses every day in order to feel well.

Yeah, a healthy colony of microbes in your G.I. tract and eating as much raw or minimally cooked foods as you can seems to be the most beneficial diet. Works for me anyways.

There is a rumor in Poland that if you take probiotics everyday your body stops producing it's own microbiome and you can't stop buying the probiotics because you feel bad if you don't get the daily portion of bacteries from outside source. It takes a few days or weeks for the body to develop it's own microbiome again after stopping the probiotic intake and during that time you are more prone to catching a cold, having stomach problems etc. because your immunity is weakened.

I have never thought of it that way, but it does make sense. Something like having too much antibiotics in your diet actually weakening your immune system.


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