Does anyone ever wish they could be normal?

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31 Dec 2015, 12:02 pm

Not particularly. I wouldn't become nt, it would be really weird, it would be better to start over as a baby then you'd always be nt. I'd also need to know how I'd be as an nt.



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31 Dec 2015, 1:11 pm

Yes, every day. I am not a happy person.



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31 Dec 2015, 1:25 pm

All the time. I want to be like other people; I want to experience what they experience and possess what they possess: happiness, friends, love, and everything else they take for granted. I'm sick and tired of having to live like this, and it's likely just going to get worse as the years go by.



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31 Dec 2015, 1:33 pm

Of course, I envy those few who have it all. Most people have their own struggles and I would not trade places with them.


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31 Dec 2015, 1:40 pm

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In a word: NO. A big no for that. Being "normal" means having no real interests other than beer and such and no deep emotions other than cliche interactions and "scripted" conversation. And no super powers. One of the regrets of the dying is supposedly not having the courage to live the life we truly want and are meant to live and living a lie instead. Why make a lie out of a life? Keep the f. Why kill a part of you only to impress or conform with the people you do not even like and who do not even really care about what you do, just automatically reacting with their pre-programmed chatter to the stimuli you create with you presence?

I think this is too stereotypical. NTs do feel deep emotions, and they do have interests other than beer. I don't think we can say exactly what it is like to be NT unless we've experienced it ourselves.



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31 Dec 2015, 1:51 pm

Cant say I am sure what that even is, but for a long time I was sure it was something to avoid.


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31 Dec 2015, 1:52 pm

TheAP wrote:
zeropiwa wrote:
In a word: NO. A big no for that. Being "normal" means having no real interests other than beer and such and no deep emotions other than cliche interactions and "scripted" conversation. And no super powers. One of the regrets of the dying is supposedly not having the courage to live the life we truly want and are meant to live and living a lie instead. Why make a lie out of a life? Keep the f. Why kill a part of you only to impress or conform with the people you do not even like and who do not even really care about what you do, just automatically reacting with their pre-programmed chatter to the stimuli you create with you presence?

I think this is too stereotypical. NTs do feel deep emotions, and they do have interests other than beer. I don't think we can say exactly what it is like to be NT unless we've experienced it ourselves.

And what is to say people with aspergers aren't interested in beer?


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31 Dec 2015, 1:55 pm

I'm VERY interested in beer. :D


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31 Dec 2015, 2:34 pm

But you are not ONLY interested in beer, you do notice, appreciate and pursue things that go beyond the most basic and shallow. Beer is just one example here, you can substitute that for anything meaning a very cliche "normal" life devoid of any interest in science, art etc. and full of very cliche, extremely predictable interactions with people who simply fulfill their assigned roles. Take the SIMS for example - I'd say NTs are a bit like the SIMS, not much thinking on their own or they are afraid to think and act on their own and just try to conform to cliches as good as possible. A completely different strategy.

And with sci, tech and art I'd say an NT would go into that but as a means of "getting a job" and performing some assigned tasks and not for the sake of science itself, lacking this ultimate curiosity and enjoyment from pursuing it. They would be willing to crunch numbers for a given number of hours per day to cover their expenses but not really be curious to "find out" the way we do. Similarly, in art they would just want to BE a famous artist and not to DO art for the sake of art itself, just because it is beautiful and thrilling and seems to open a completely new dimension.

On the other hand, it sort of does seem difficult to really define what NT actually is. I'd say:

aspie: creative, curious, assertive
NT: copycat, uninterested, submissive

I wonder how you would define NT-ism.



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31 Dec 2015, 3:58 pm

i've gone too far already into my life to radically change it.


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31 Dec 2015, 5:36 pm

zeropiwa wrote:
I'd say NTs are a bit like the SIMS, not much thinking on their own or they are afraid to think and act on their own and just try to conform to cliches as good as possible.

I don't think NTs conform completely. Sure, they may conform sometimes, but for the most part they are just trying to figure out what their place in the world is. In that respect I don't think NTs and Aspies are that different.
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And with sci, tech and art I'd say an NT would go into that but as a means of "getting a job" and performing some assigned tasks and not for the sake of science itself, lacking this ultimate curiosity and enjoyment from pursuing it. They would be willing to crunch numbers for a given number of hours per day to cover their expenses but not really be curious to "find out" the way we do. Similarly, in art they would just want to BE a famous artist and not to DO art for the sake of art itself, just because it is beautiful and thrilling and seems to open a completely new dimension.

Like I said, it's impossible to know whether NTs feel deep passion for their interests unless you are an NT yourself.



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31 Dec 2015, 5:39 pm

I don't wish to be normal, really. I'd have more fun being myself than I would being normal. I don't see any reason to be a word that was invented during the Holocaust or sooner.


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31 Dec 2015, 5:43 pm

You have a very skewed idea about NTs.

NT's run the gamut--just like people on the Spectrum run the gamut.

There are very superficial NT's, and NT's who have depth.

Same with people on the Spectrum.



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01 Jan 2016, 2:49 am

"Normal" is only a relative or subjective term. Median or mean (backed up by empirical data) are much more useful. Not like most should or could put in that much effort. But such types of studies are helpful.

Conclusion: Most of us are capable of four(+)-dimensional thinking. So, use it!!


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01 Jan 2016, 2:59 am

Oh totally. But I have a whole lot of other mental health issues so I would be not AS but still not NT.

I used to get really broken up about it when I was a teenager but now I have more of a pragmatic attitude towards my AS. There's no cure, I can't change it. I have to focus on aspects of my mental health like my anxiety which can be worked on



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01 Jan 2016, 6:25 am

I am sick of the NT stereotypes in this thread. It annoys me more than Autism stereotypes do. I know it's easy to look at NTs as these people who spend their lives sitting in groups drinking alcohol, talking about sport, and going home to their loving spouse and having sex every night. Some may live that life, but it is not what describes NT life.

Some Aspies also seem to think that NTs are dumb, ignorant lowlives who hate education and have no interest in getting good jobs, and that those who do have a good job are only doing it for the money. That is false too. NTs can have ambitions and interests, and desire to follow their dreams. NTs don't all just have interests through peer pressure. They can develop their own interests and hobbies too, without the influence of all their friends. And yes, they may make friends in their hobbies, but then so do a lot of Aspies.

The reason why I want to be NT is I wish I could make friends better, control my emotions more, be able to cope better with employment, not be hypersensitive to loud noises, not stress out and panic so much, and not shy away from family gatherings, and lots more little things that look solveable (is that a word?) but are more subtle and soul-destroying than they sound.


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