Severe Autism - related derealization

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DaneClark
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18 Aug 2016, 6:17 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:
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Are you saying that you feel "less autistic" in some ways and it's interrupting the way that other parts of your internal system works?

That could be at least part of it


I know someone who went through something a little bit like what you're describing.

I don't think that vitamins can take your autism away, but they can certainly make you feel different. It could be that if something was knocked off course, the other parts of your inner system aren't functioning anymore. Like cogs that no longer line up. Something that made sense might seem stupid all of a sudden and then that calls other things into question, so you're left with this loop thing you're talking about. Does that sound like it might be what's going on?

If so...um...I would first go back to your regular routine. Like, pretend you are a dummy and this dummy's job is to do everything that DaneClark used to do before things stopped making sense. Eat the same food at the same times you used to, shower no less but also no more than you used to, turn on/get out the entertainment you used before, even if you're not interested. Just have it around. I'd do that for awhile and see if it helps. I would not try to correct your thinking. I think that is a next level thing to work on after your physical routine is back exactly the way it used to be. You may not have to work on it at all. Things may fall into place naturally.

Of course I may be way off here. Just doing my best to help.


I think another part of what happened is that my brains ability to use multiple sets of gears at once was completely destroyed, and the only gears it still has the ability to use require it to filter things out or distort things.



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19 Aug 2016, 5:49 am

Also, there are gears that cause me to exhibit some very ritualistic Howard Hughes - like behavior. I would like to be free from these gears, but they are too intertwined with gears that I dont want to be altered in any way



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19 Aug 2016, 8:42 am

Yeah I think you need to go back to your natural way of processing thing- all your normal gears so to speak. I think if you try to weed out some and make the rest fit together now you will cause yourself a great deal of distress.

I think you need to go back to your routine before this happened, as closely as humanly possible, and work on chilling out as much as you can. I know that's easy to say and hard to do, but those are time-old methods for re-centering yourself, especially if you are autistic.

Like, have you ever put together IKEA bookshelves? They're international, so the instructions are super simplified and all pictures. If you do something wrong, leave out one little piece (which is easy to do), everything else goes to h*ll. You're like, why did I buy this piece of trash? It doesn't work at all! Then you see what you're missing and you're like, OHH... I think if you go all the way back to the beginning, let yourself process things in your old way, you will have that "ohh" moment.



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19 Aug 2016, 9:11 am

Going back to the way things were before isn't going to be so simple. For one thing, it would require the use of much more "black or white" cognition than I am neurologically capable of right now. Also, like I said before, my ability to use multiple gears at once was completely annihilated, and the only gears that still work require me to filter out and distort things - that's not something you can just snap your fingers and fix. Plus, there are lots of very important biases that come from after the derealization started that I dont want to lose, but they could be completely incompatible with the old me, not because they are less autistic, they were just never designed to be used by the old me



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19 Aug 2016, 11:19 am

Even though the new biases might seem to be the exact same thing as the old ones at first glance they still seem incompatible



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20 Aug 2016, 1:07 pm

There is a spot in my autobiographical memory, right about the time where the derealization started, that contains biases that feel "natural", but still feel irrevocably disjointed. It's hard to say weather I was fully derealized yet when those biases were created, weather or not there is an exact point where the derealization officially begins might not have an answer



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20 Aug 2016, 3:04 pm

Lastly, there are 3 more pieces of this puzzle that are too complicated to describe. All I can say is that one piece has to do with categorical perception, one piece has to do with being too rigid about thr future, and one piece has to do with clockwork - like behavior. If there is anyone on this board who knows alot about cognitive science, I could really use your help



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22 Aug 2016, 11:07 am

Sorry, I wasn't online during the weekend.

Okay so you could check out a couple of things:

Mindfulness/five senses check (I like this guy because he's not a hippy type):



Do the mindfulnessness thing as you are returning to your regular routine. It might "refresh" your mental browser. Remember, I am not suggesting you return to your regular thoughts- just return to your regular actions!

Richard Feynman- here he is with an example of logic (he also has written many books, which are readable):