What would an all-aspie society be like?

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22 Aug 2016, 1:45 pm

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Two, there is no reason to believe that somehow people would be suddenly "completely unable" to do anything in the absence of NTs. The presence of NTs is not some magic elixir of functioning.

i'm not talking about dependence though, i'm talking about the way how culture is transmitted


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22 Aug 2016, 2:15 pm

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AgentPalpatine wrote:
Two, there is no reason to believe that somehow people would be suddenly "completely unable" to do anything in the absence of NTs. The presence of NTs is not some magic elixir of functioning.

i'm not talking about dependence though, i'm talking about the way how culture is transmitted


Could you please restate the question? I don't believe I'm understanding the question that you're asking.


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22 Aug 2016, 2:21 pm

There aren't enough people with Asperger's in this country to keep all of our infrastructure functioning, we would all have to live in a relatively small state to be able sustain each other's consumption requirements. Most importantly everyone would be so friggin' abrasive you could never make the proper social connections to form groups with the capacity to operate.



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22 Aug 2016, 2:23 pm

Not to mention that babies born from two Aspie parents will most likely be neurotypical, or at least not clinically autistic.



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22 Aug 2016, 3:06 pm

OK, let's narrow the topic of thread a little. Instead of discussing of whether or not an all-aspie society is possible, let's go this direction.

What would it be like to live in an all-aspie society? Would it be a bastion of kindness and gentleness? After all, many of us aspies are indeed kind and gentle as kids. At least until bullying and/or NT-style parenting browbeats those qualities out of us, neither of which would exist in that society. Or would it have a dark side of some sort? If so, which one?



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22 Aug 2016, 3:24 pm

the thing is the question is inevitably full of paradoxes. especially: even in a society formed exclusively by people who could be theoretically identified as neurologically "aspie" in our society, most people probably wouldn't behave like aspies (in other words, if they could exist in a parallel all-aspie dimension and then be suddenly teleported to ours and be screened for asperger's, they probably wouldn't be diagnosable in terms of symptoms/behavior). how would they behave? it's very hard to know, but my guess is society would be stratified much like society as we know it (like ezra described when he talked about his own personal experience with "all-aspie" groups), and things wouldn't be all that different

but another key point is: the slightly different neurological constitution of the members of that society would be a very minor factor to determine the way how it would turn out, compared to the way how that society would come to be. so, are we assuming a scenario where all humans have always had an aspie-like neurological constitution? are we assuming all non-aspies would have just vanished overnight instead? or maybe all aspies have moved to a newly discovered planet? would that planet already have an infrastructure? or would the new population be building it from scratch? would the aspie society have any contact with outside societies? would there be competition for resources? and so on


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22 Aug 2016, 6:26 pm

Also, Aspies like me would just take advantage of and kill all the other weak and timid Aspies, and take over the world! *Dr. Evil pose*



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22 Aug 2016, 11:18 pm

I sometimes daydream about an all-aspie society. The world would be amazing if everyone has AS. People would be evaluated based on their skills, values, merit, and talents, rather than how well they lied to people and how much fun it would be to drink a beer with them. The only reality shows on TV would be stuff like "The Colony" or "Faceoff". There would be a hundred times the number of awesome science fiction novels out there. People would be excited about learning and knowledge. The entire fashion industry would disappear forever. There would be even more cats on the internet than there already are.

It would be awesome!



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23 Aug 2016, 2:43 am

The fashion industry would not disappear, we are talking about and aspie colony not a nudist colony. Autistics can not be intersted in fashion?. Somebody forgot to tell Heather Kuzmich

The problem with a lot of these guesses is that they are based on stereotypes not actual core traits. Stereotypes are often based on partial truth. So a better guess would be there would be less loud nightcubs and more quiet pubs rather the there will be no nightclubs.

I find it laughable the idea that there would be no celebrities in and aspie society considering there are posts here almost every day asserting based on conjecture that certian celebrities are autistic.


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23 Aug 2016, 3:09 am

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The problem with a lot of these guesses is that they are based on stereotypes not actual core traits.

or, maybe more often, they're based on the thought of "what if everybody were like me?"

and people forget that asperger's ≠ you


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23 Aug 2016, 9:37 am

Aspie1 wrote:
OK, let's narrow the topic of thread a little. Instead of discussing of whether or not an all-aspie society is possible, let's go this direction.

What would it be like to live in an all-aspie society? Would it be a bastion of kindness and gentleness? After all, many of us aspies are indeed kind and gentle as kids. At least until bullying and/or NT-style parenting browbeats those qualities out of us, neither of which would exist in that society. Or would it have a dark side of some sort? If so, which one?


Kindness, perhaps. We are small-group high-trust by nature, and with the entire society and culture being the same, it would be a very high-trust society. There aren't a lot of good historical examples, because on one side you need the high-trust society to begin with, but it needs to be after (both) the Industrial revolution(s) slowed down, you didn't have the massive moving and social atomization, and you need a modern Peel Principles police force to have removed the trouble-makers.

On the issues side, the very nature of a high-trust environment is that to function, people have to be excluded if they transgress against the group/society. Without getting into the "Walkabout theories", the Lacedaemons in particular and the Greeks in general had the problem that once someone has committed a serious transgression, they can never be part of your commons again. Since the Lacedaemons had such high standards for even their young, they had an incredibly thin force of citizens, which leads to all sorts of issues, not all of which are limited to an agrarian society. By historical standards, most western countries legally prevent complete legal and economic oblivion for all but the most serious offenses, but that might not interact well with a high-trust society. People get upset when their friends and family are subject to some form of outlawry or otherwise are excluded from the civic realm.


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