How many fall through the cracks?
Sorry if I confused anyone here. I meant to say jobless instead of homeless. I was tired and thinking of Ghosthunter when I wrote my previous post and somehow the wrong word slipped out.
The thought is nice, but unfortunately, as in the case with work, as it has been with school, as it has been with everywhere else, I need to have the right environment or else I crash and burn.
Getting back to what I was saying this morning and adding on to what I said before, I've come to the reluctant conclsuion that I won't be able to make it through college with out assistance from others. During the upcoming fall semster, I've agreed to work with the counseling center to set up support services to help me with the more troubling aspects of college. While all of you here might applaud my efforts to seek out services, it ruins my self-asteem and it makes me feel depressed becasue my dad use to chastize me as a kid over my lack of independence and my vunerablities to others due to a poorly developed theroy of mind.
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One thing that I notice is my own family. When I was a kid and wierd, I was a cute little wierd kid that they showed off. They would pick up my drawings and show them around the room. Now I am avoided and I avoid them. There is a sense that they don't like me and think i'm a failure. Well, now my life is getting on a better track. When I move up, i'm only going to recognize people who stood by me through all the sh!t. Alot of my close friends were there and that is why they are still good friends. My mother tried her best. My dad is a distant, loveless, workaholoc, money loving shell. All the aunts, uncles and my goody-goody step mother's family seem to label me as some kind of ret*d. I remember at Christmas dinner they were bragging about my cousins getting into university and having mates. They were kind of making fun of me. I was in maybe grade 10 or 11, going through daily terror. For some reason when one of them asked "do you have a girlfriend, Steven?" I replied..."No, i'm monosexual, I f**k myself!". Then I walked out the door, got in my car and drove.
I went through the same garbage. My family (aunts, uncles, etc) treated me great as a kid, but when I began showing problems around the age of twelve, their demeanor changed. Soon I was the oddball of the family who couldn’t do anything right. Over the years having any normal relations with my family became impossible, they just didn’t like me. The aunts and uncles told their children stories about me that either made them frightened of me, or made them mock me at family gatherings.
Much later in life, I lived with my grandparents for several years. For some reason, this greatly angered the rest of the family and they tried their best to have my grandparents throw me out of the house. After my grandparents died, the entire family disowned my mother, sister and I.
I haven’t seen or heard from my extended family in about seven years. I’m glad these people are out of my life and I wouldn’t speak to them if I saw them on the street.
Well I guess I have fallen thru the cracks at times in my life, but I have always managed to stay afloat too, by which I mean I've never been institutionalised or homeless. The longest I had full time work was 8 and a half years and that was my only full time job. I went for lots of interviews but could only get part time or temp work and you get sick of the poverty of that, so I sat for the public service exam and that's how I got my only ever full time job.
capable than ever. Once I thought I
was going to grow out of all these problems
and that I would mature into a suave and
elegant gentleman, possessed of eloquent
speech and impeccable manners. Instead
I became the lonely weirdo, screaming at
the top of his lungs out in the yard, “I don’t
belong here!”
I completely agree. I am 39 on October 19th.
I am trying to see that at 39 I am a better
person beyond what others expected.
I am still doing part-time jobs that when
I am 65 I will regret sticking with and
be one of those older persons you see
collecting cans. I don't want to see 60
as a can collector on SSI and then death
in a silent world. This is why I am glad
I was at least outed of the ingnorance
path of autism. Now I must see school
and let events hopefully fall in my favor
so I can hopefully not be a alumuniom
can collector on SSI. This I is how I
read into your statement.
Most unhappily stated,
Ghosthunter
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 694
Location: The Peoples Republic of California
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:20 pm
Post subject:
turned 18. I have received about $10,000 in
education and job placement services from
the State so far.
The state is at least trying to help you pay
for school. Is this due to your co-morbid
condition status or general financial aide?
instructors know of who ever got a perfect
score on an A+ exam. I could still not get a
job with his knowledge because interviewers
make assumptions about my computer skills
based purely on my social skills and ability
to carry on a conversation.
Ommiting this "A" grade thing, this is
why I am unable to find stable qualifying
jobs as well. I am smart, and literate
but don't convey it well. This has been
lifelong even as I have made good improvements
on decreasing it. Too bad they don't see
your skills but instead how you fit in.
Example:
Starbuck, $9 per hour in San Francisco only
seem to hire pretty female and gays and lesbians.
This is not a slander against them, but a observation
and I wouldn't get a second glance as a straight
male. Let's call this reverse singlization in
how "One Fits in" employment requirement.
Mind you, I have nothing against anyone or
gender in particular. I have to starve and they
get "SPECIAL" treatment for being (insert
Fit In category).
Hmmmmm?
in my life so far, especially considering what my
prognosis was. for example, I Lettered all 4 years
of high school in Marching Band despite having
Cerebral Palsy, Earning an award from the Boy
Scouts that is equivalent to an Eagle Scout, and
getting the A+ certification with a perfect score
on the Core Hardware in process, now studying
for the Microsoft Certified System Engineer as
well as the Security+ certifications.
These are admirable and to add to that
I don't even have them. Congradulations!
inability to find a specialist to help me, I am
extremely concened about falling through the cracks.
When I was about 9 the prognosis was that I would
eventually need to be placed in a mental institution.
Why? What specically, or what items specifically
made this what it was implied?
school officials and who knows who else, my parents
nearly had to. It came down to the Psychiatrist asking
my parents to wait one week while he tried one last
medication combination.
Why so difficult? What was so neccessary to
have such unique med's in a combination form?
There was only a 1:500 chance of accomplishing what
I have. There is no logical explaination. I should have
ended up being able to cut and paste someone else's
mental institution horror story to describe my life. I
once again have to worry about this happening.
Again, and no offense if I am prying....Why?
and have almost nothing to show for it now that they
don't work.
This is why I don't recommend pills to replace
one's own coping skills, unless there is a specific
reason. Why such special circumstances?????????
a worst case scenario, which is ending up in the mental
health system or on the streets, where I would eventually
end up in some sort of mental health system. The only
way any mental health treatment would be effective is
if they conform to my agenda (yeah right ). Therefore,
in my case, any "treatment" through a mental health
system would create an inescapable vicious cycle.
A hard place and a rock! Hmmmm?
and medication at the expense of my studies. But to
avoid the worst case scenario I've described, I must:
1) Establish a way to commit suicide quickly and efficienty
on little to no notice that the criteria for the worst case
scenario have been met, and,
2) Establish a way to stop anybody by any means
(collateral damage and casualties acceptable) necessary
who may try to stop me so that I will have time to carry
out part 1, since such people would constitute little to no
notice that the worst case scenario has been met.
The best thing to do is hope, pray, and fight the odds so
that the scenario I described never comes to pass.
Note: I did proofread this before posting. It does sound
insane to me too and it's the best contingency I can come
up with whie I persue constructive solutions.
Such drastic, but what seem neccessary tactics. What
is so wrong for such neccessary tactics?
Hmmmmm?
Ghosthunter
Joined: Jul 02, 2004
Posts: 1056
Location: East Central Wisconsin
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:40 pm
Post subject:
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I consider myself fairly lucky that I have
been able to make it as far as I have. Both
jobs I have technically I should have never
gotten if my prospective employers had taken
my impression into account. Having done quite
a few job interviews during the 1998-1999 time
frame, I feel quite lucky.
What was this interview boo-boo situation per job
interview?
a local meat packing plant in the cold. I managed
to do fairly well there. Most of the people I worked
with were quite older than I was, and the labor
wasn't the worst. But I was laid off and spent
the winter homeless.
Try 1984-2000 homeless and underemployed.
I have mostly had part-time jobs and that is
why I have been mostly homeless.
I am hoping a college degree will change this
trend as well as my autism awareness.
The people there were also flabberghasted that
I could work in a 35 degree cooler all day long
wearing nothing but a flannel shirt, an undershirt,
and my work uniform. [/quote]
Immune to cold weather be you, Aspie-Jedi?
Hmmm-Unnn-Hmmmmm?
[quote="scoots"]
During that period, I got my second job at the
local cable company. I was stupid and didn't
really think too much about my appearance
before hand. My interview was scheduled for
right after work. It was July 17, 1998, and I
went over there for my interview wearing my
work clothes and since I had no car, I had to
bike over there. End result, I reeked of summer
sausage and was sweating pretty bad since this
was summer time and temp outside was in the
80's that day. [/quote]
Hmmmmm? sizzle! fry! Oink! Oink! is that sausage
I smell? Ooooh! It's the new interviewee! You
just reminded me I didn't have breakfast!
But seriously, this has been one of my younger
age flaws. How one dresses and hygiene. Has
your hygiene issues Greatly improved for that
after college job interview?
[quote="scoots wrote:
of flubs during my interview, but since they were
in bad need of a part time person and I showed
them some stuff I did in high school, I was hired as
I was able to show that despite my outward
apperance, I was compentent in what they
wanted me to do.
What happened to this job? I don't see Cable
service and Groceries going hand and hand
as the same job?
my employer was the type who would take almost
anyone, so I was hired.
The first two months there was sheer hell, and I was
on the verge of being fired several times. I just wasn't
compatible with the other people I was working with.
Hence forth, a possiblity for this "Fit in" requirement.
Hmmmm?
came around to me. But even since then, my
employment there has always been on shaky ground.
Is this your "Psycho Crew" job boss?
to make it there. I've come a long way in the past
seven years. I managed to curb some of autistic
tendancies that generated friction in the past, and
now I feel that I've gained enough skills to at least
get by in the real world.
But in the back of my head I always have that
question lingering that stocking shelves three days a
week for $9.00 and hour is the best I'll ever be able to do.
This is were I am, "curbed autistic traits on job, and
trying to see past the $9.00 per hour ceiling. I am
39 and you are 26. At least you have 13 years to
work on it!
Gun to head of G.H(Bang!). Just kidding, I have much
more integrity than that. But I am not getting any younger.
Hmmmmmmmm?
Blam! Blam!
I am 65 I will regret sticking with and
be one of those older persons you see
collecting cans. I don't want to see 60
as a can collector on SSI and then death
in a silent world.
Ghosthunter, I know what you mean. When I look to my future I see myself still doing part time, menial jobs and never being able to retire. I fear that life will become very difficult for me in my old age, especially since I don’t plan on having children.
I’m not in much danger of becoming homeless, unless for some reason my mother disowns me and that is unlikely. My backup plan I spoke of before in an old thread somewhere. If I am faced with homelessness I will try to gain employment at the concession services in the National Park system. Much of the work would be customer service, but they provide living quarters, prepared food, and medical benefits.
for school. Is this due to your co-morbid
condition status or general financial aide?
Co-morbid condition.
why I am unable to find stable qualifying
jobs as well.
A+ (A-plus) is the name of the certification.
made this what it was implied?
The TS coupled with the OCD caused extreme stress on the family. I had a problem with oppositional behavior. In addition to my brain chemistry being messed up, I used it as my main emotional defense mechanism to defend agiainst any disruption of rituals and other routines.
have such unique med's in a combination form?
To this day I don't understand either.
one's own coping skills, unless there is a specific
reason. Why such special circumstances?????????
I was young and was not developing coping skills the usual way. I took pills in addition to picking up new skills, but too much has always been dependent on the pills. The reason they were about to put me in an institution at the time was to try to teach me some new coping skills. I believe that would have thoroughly backfired. For a long time I was led to believe that most of my behaviors and feelings were the end result of the effect of some medication or other, and then for a long time had trouble explaining how a fundamental human drive was a more simle and elegant explaination. When I was severely depressed in high school, my Mom and GP gave me a new medication but somehow managed to completely overlook most of the empotional causes, partly because I did not know how to explain them.
is so wrong for such neccessary tactics?
Absolutely nothing. From a moral and theological perspective, it is the least of all evils that I can still build a comprehensive plan around.
I don't really know what you mean but here's the situation as I see it.
You get help upto 18, and then the government assumes all your problems just magiclly disappear.
I looked in the phonebook today, and there was a support group for everything but I saw no autistic one.
Basically in this crap country you have to be at some sort of terrible stage of Autism, or something else before you'd be helped.
Being a person with minor-mid AS, it's pretty damn hard. It's like i'm between the plane of existance between diabled people and normal people.
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In my case, what I got up to 18 was for the most part not help at all. It was only at the age of 19 and older that I got any useful help. Prior to age 18 I was in various institutions, special ed, day programs, and the like, and none of those were particularly helpful. Afterwards I've gotten something approaching genuine self-directed assistance to live in my own home. (I'm in America.)
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You still have a few years to establish a support network of friends and relatives to help avoid falling through the cracks. The more resourceful you are in doing this, the better your chances are in life.
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Posts: 150
Location: California
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Hmmmmm?
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Ghosthunter wrote:
I am still doing part-time jobs that when
I am 65 I will regret sticking with and
be one of those older persons you see
collecting cans. I don't want to see 60
as a can collector on SSI and then death
in a silent world.
Synchro wrote:
Ghosthunter, I know what you mean. When
I look to my future I see myself still doing
part time, menial jobs and never being able
to retire. I fear that life will become very
difficult for me in my old age, especially
since I don’t plan on having children.
I can agree withe this getting older and
parttime job thing. I am hoping that a
education and affordable living idea will
work.
The idea of children interests me as I have
become more focused and less reactive.
I see that new life you bring to this world
may bring new life, as well as a future
extension of oneself. Fiscally, that is the
hard part in raising kids though!
unless for some reason my mother disowns me
and that is unlikely. My backup plan I spoke of
before in an old thread somewhere. If I am
faced with homelessness I will try to gain
employment at the concession services in the
National Park system. Much of the work would
be customer service, but they provide living
quarters, prepared food, and medical benefits.
I heard about this! How does it work? and
how does one apply?
Sincerely,
Ghosthunter
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