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03 Jan 2019, 4:01 pm

Maybe they have a hard time understanding how you can function in the real world if you can not handle those noisy situations. Perhaps they're trying to help you prepare for life & are thinking that there will be times in life where you simply have to tolerate being in a noisy environment/situation & saying you have to understand means you have to learn to accept it in order to have a life sometimes.


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03 Jan 2019, 4:29 pm

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It's not a matter of me not liking the music. It's that my brain literally cannot properly process those sounds. It actually over processes them. So it sends me into actual overload shock which can lead to a heart attack or literal collapse, loss of ability to breath and actual types of shock.

Sounds not good but I think I understand the problem. Normal people have to concentrate on parts of the sound to become aware of them except something suddenly changes and for this it alerts the consciousness. But you are recognizing anything like if it has suddenly changed. The input filtering that suppresses uninteresting parts of the sound seems not to work and you hear anything as if lots of unexpected things are happening at once.

If I'm right then you would need to learn how to concentrate on special parts of the sound around you and to ignore the rest. For this you would need a list of the things that you recognize at once first and to reduce the input to a harmless minimum of this. Afterwards you would have to train to concentrate on just one part before adding any new one. During this you would need a permanent medical observation. This requires a sound studio and a doctor just for training and nobody knows whether you are able to improve this way or if you would risk a shock just for nothing. Sounds not really good.



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03 Jan 2019, 9:06 pm

Many NTs by their very nature tend to be inclusive.

I took a course one time. The room was divided between introverts and extroverts. About half the class was introverts and the rest were extroverts. The teacher asked the extroverts what would they like to do. They said, they would like to have a party and invite all the introverts and socialize with them and help them break out of their shell.

Then the teacher asked the introverts how they felt about going to a party. They absolutely hated the idea.

An introvert recharges themselves by being alone. While an extrovert recharges themselves by being in a group. The extroverts bounce off one person and then another and before you know it their batteries are recharged. The extroverts are very afraid of being alone. They see an introvert and falsely believes they are suffering and want to integrate them into the group.


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03 Jan 2019, 11:03 pm

That was a Special Olympics coach that said that???? Shame on them. They should have the training to understand and help with sensory processing issues. Is the person an otherwise good coach? It seems like something you could make a complaint about to SO organization. It is part of the coach's job to understand differing needs like that.



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04 Jan 2019, 12:45 am

you have to understand?

How about they have to understand?

Maybe you should check the schedule

I would go so far as to say, if the Special Olympics coach knew you were autistic a prioriti, the coach should have told you about the music , before you wasted $$$

(Do not know how much $$$ you wasted)



You could make the case for a refund

It's too inconvenient to have to go all the way over there, see if loud music is on, and leave



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04 Jan 2019, 7:42 am

Because it's OK for NTs to not understand us and they don't have to even try, but it's not OK for an Aspie to not understand NTs and we are expected to try all the time. Then NTs use the old "oh you hurt our feelings" cliche, because they know that "lack of empathy" is an autism thing (which it is not), and so try to rub it in. And then if an Aspie is offended or has hurt feelings, we are told to stop being so sensitive.

PS. This is not an us vs them generalization, I'm just using it to explain certain situations where this occurs when at least 1 Aspie and NT party are involved.


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04 Jan 2019, 8:21 am

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Then NTs use the old "oh you hurt our feelings" cliche, because they know that "lack of empathy" is an autism thing (which it is not), and so try to rub it in. And then if an Aspie is offended or has hurt feelings, we are told to stop being so sensitive.

Calm down. You can't change the people and it doesn't help with this. Also I had problems to understand what can be wrong with some sounds which are nothing then noises only. That's why I tried an explanation but I don't even know if I'm right with it. But I have an imagination how consciousness works. How many people on earth have this? Keep in mind that most people don't recognise you as being an aspie and don't know anything about the way that you are. They just expect you being like themself and always judge you like someone who is the way that they are.


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04 Jan 2019, 8:46 pm

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Maybe what they are really saying is, "I don't understand"......why you are leaving this place, us, and the "fun." They don't have the same perception as you, and what for you is unbearable is really only a slight irritation for them - they cannot comprehend what it actually is like for you, and therefore see you leaving only for petty reasons. (I know you already get this and are more venting). I understand your frustration completely. I've also had experiences like this, where the people I went end up blaming ME and are upset at ME for leaving an environment that, were they to experience it the same way as me, would never willing go to, nor would stay in should they happen to it. I suspect I've even lost a couple of friends to this.

I understand.

It is not you who needs to understand, it is them.
I totally agree with you. Thank you. I have also lost friends for this. It is really pathetic. I guess they were not really friends to begin with.


Now that's a scary thought. If they were not really friends to begin with, then...I really have no idea what friends are.



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04 Jan 2019, 8:52 pm

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skibum, did you tell them that you have a sensory processing disorder? You might have to say more than "the music bothers me," if you want them to understand what you are going through.

I'm not clear if you are supposed to be part of a team that skates or performs together. You did mention a coach, suggesting this was not just a casual recreational skate. If you can't attend practices, that becomes a problem for other team members, for the team as a whole. I doubt people's "feelings" were "hurt," it sounds more like they may have been concerned whether you can participate in team activities in the future if this noise issue is a problem for you - since it is likely to recur rather often.

What about ear plugs or noise cancelling headphones? Is this something you could discuss with the coach?
............. The sounds that really affect me the most to the point of collapse and over stimulation shock are the deep bass beats and fast music like rap and lots of hip hop.......


Same for me here :( :( :( and people turn up the bass everyone SO LOUD! :(



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05 Jan 2019, 7:58 am

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Same for me here :( :( :( and people turn up the bass everyone SO LOUD! :(

The bass beat gives the rythm for dancing. Just for swinging your body towards the emotions that come with the music. That's why NTs like it. (Btw: I don't like rap too.) The question is how the bass is to you. The problem could be that the rhytm is very near to common rhytms of the heart beat. If you let influence it your heart beat it becomes dangerous.
In this case you would have to learn to step or swing towards the beat but never let it influence your heart beat.
I think this is possible. You need to hear very short sequences of about 5 seconds of such music. Afterwards you have to repeat the rhytm mentally only and should try to move and dance towards this rhytm without letting it influence your heart. You have to repeat this until you get used to be that way that it is always a movement rhytm and not a heart rhytm. But you need to check your pulse that it doesn't starts to match the beat.


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05 Jan 2019, 11:57 am

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Maybe they have a hard time understanding how you can function in the real world if you can not handle those noisy situations. Perhaps they're trying to help you prepare for life & are thinking that there will be times in life where you simply have to tolerate being in a noisy environment/situation & saying you have to understand means you have to learn to accept it in order to have a life sometimes.
That might be what they are thinking. The stupid part of that train of thought is that I am 52 years old. Do they think that I have never been in the real world in 52 years?


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05 Jan 2019, 12:01 pm

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It's not a matter of me not liking the music. It's that my brain literally cannot properly process those sounds. It actually over processes them. So it sends me into actual overload shock which can lead to a heart attack or literal collapse, loss of ability to breath and actual types of shock.

Sounds not good but I think I understand the problem. Normal people have to concentrate on parts of the sound to become aware of them except something suddenly changes and for this it alerts the consciousness. But you are recognizing anything like if it has suddenly changed. The input filtering that suppresses uninteresting parts of the sound seems not to work and you hear anything as if lots of unexpected things are happening at once.

If I'm right then you would need to learn how to concentrate on special parts of the sound around you and to ignore the rest. For this you would need a list of the things that you recognize at once first and to reduce the input to a harmless minimum of this. Afterwards you would have to train to concentrate on just one part before adding any new one. During this you would need a permanent medical observation. This requires a sound studio and a doctor just for training and nobody knows whether you are able to improve this way or if you would risk a shock just for nothing. Sounds not really good.
You are right in your analysis. I am actually a musician and that was my field of study. I can concentrate on every part of the music an analyze it individually. The problem is that even though I can pick out individual parts, my brain lacks the functional ability to ignore the rest. It is just not capable. I do not have that functionality. So therapy does not work for me.


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05 Jan 2019, 12:04 pm

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Many NTs by their very nature tend to be inclusive.

I took a course one time. The room was divided between introverts and extroverts. About half the class was introverts and the rest were extroverts. The teacher asked the extroverts what would they like to do. They said, they would like to have a party and invite all the introverts and socialize with them and help them break out of their shell.

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Then the teacher asked the introverts how they felt about going to a party. They absolutely hated the idea.




An introvert recharges themselves by being alone. While an extrovert recharges themselves by being in a group. The extroverts bounce off one person and then another and before you know it their batteries are recharged. The extroverts are very afraid of being alone. They see an introvert and falsely believes they are suffering and want to integrate them into the group.


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05 Jan 2019, 12:07 pm

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That was a Special Olympics coach that said that???? Shame on them. They should have the training to understand and help with sensory processing issues. Is the person an otherwise good coach? It seems like something you could make a complaint about to SO organization. It is part of the coach's job to understand differing needs like that.
That particular coach is wonderful. One of the best and one the ones I am closest to. She just had a lapse of judgment. Usually she makes people turn music off because of me. That particular situation was not a good example to use. I just used it because it happened. But some Special Olympics coaches are pretty bad and the organization does nothing about it.


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05 Jan 2019, 12:08 pm

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you have to understand?

How about they have to understand?

Maybe you should check the schedule

I would go so far as to say, if the Special Olympics coach knew you were autistic a prioriti, the coach should have told you about the music , before you wasted $$$

(Do not know how much $$$ you wasted)



You could make the case for a refund

It's too inconvenient to have to go all the way over there, see if loud music is on, and leave
I don't think she knew that the hockey team was going to be playing music and they were in a completely different part of the building. I am just that sensitive.


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05 Jan 2019, 12:09 pm

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you have to understand?

How about they have to understand?

Maybe you should check the schedule

I would go so far as to say, if the Special Olympics coach knew you were autistic a prioriti, the coach should have told you about the music , before you wasted $$$

(Do not know how much $$$ you wasted)



You could make the case for a refund

It's too inconvenient to have to go all the way over there, see if loud music is on, and leave
I don't think she knew that the hockey team was going to be playing music and they were in a completely different part of the building. I am just that sensitive. But yes, others should understand instead of always telling me to.


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