Should governments criminalise shaming of singles/virgins?

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26 Dec 2019, 11:06 pm

We live in a world in which folks worry about 'fat shaming".

And also about "slut shaming". Why not make laws against BOTH "virgin shaming", and "slut shaming"? :lol:

And why stop there?

Let's make laws against what the OP is doing on this very thread..which is...."shaming shaming"!



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26 Dec 2019, 11:09 pm

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27 Dec 2019, 1:03 am

Absolutely not. How would you even prove it happened unless you recorded it? If you did record it, you would likely get in to bigger trouble for recording the actions of a specific person without their permission.

Also, if a law like this came to place, what next? Criminalize the word "stupid?" People could no longer joke even among friends for the fear of being sued.



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27 Dec 2019, 2:05 am

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Should the governments of countries introduce legislation to categorise shaming people for being single and/or virgin as hate speech such that single/virgin shaming is a medium-level criminal offence? Following UK bullying laws, the penalty could be spending a year or so in gaol, or paying a fine, or whatever.


No, there's too much interference already. You are not alone, however. "INCELS" are Involuntarily Celibate men, and there are always lots of us around. In fact, you have twice as many female ancestors as males. That tells us that a lot of men had no or just one child, while others had dozens. That's just Ma Nature's way of doing some more selection, without wasting wombs.
What the government should get involved with is recognizing that we all entered the same genetic lottery when we were conceived, and that the winners have some obligation to make accommodations to make life more comfortable for the less lucky. You might also note that in Japan, many men prefer electronic stimulation to the presence of a real woman, who always comes with complications. It is said that one does not pay a prostitute to spend the night, one pays her to leave in the morning.



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27 Dec 2019, 2:33 am

I don't believe so, I understand where you're coming from, but restricting speech makes it very easy to ignore problems that exist in society, instead of making it illegal to shame singles/virgins it would make more sense to devote resources to educating people that it is wrong to shame virgins/singles. Criminalizing free speech is like putting your hands over your ears and ignoring the problem, nothing gets fixed. So I don't think it'd be right to criminalize any speech.

I mean for example, even though neonazi's are all over America, it's much better that we KNOW that there are neo-nazi's rather than there being an underground society of NeoNazi's. After all, it's better to be aware of a problem and be able to fix it.


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27 Dec 2019, 10:32 am

I think Shaming as a whole should be criminalized under a charge of Harassment/Hate-speech. Whether it's body shaming or relationship status shaming, to hobby/fashion shaming. Even if it's not a charge under the law, Shaming should at least be a social taboo.



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27 Dec 2019, 10:39 am

Affinity wrote:
I think Shaming as a whole should be criminalized under a charge of Harassment/Hate-speech. Whether it's body shaming or relationship status shaming, to hobby/fashion shaming. Even if it's not a charge under the law, Shaming should at least be a social taboo.
Sure ... let's make any phrase that causes someone else to feel uncomfortable about themselves into a criminal act.

Any form of criticism (constructive or otherwise), any helpful suggestions, any corrective statement, and even compliments and praise should be considered under the light of criminal intent. After all, each of these acts causes discomfort in the recipient, and possibly even in third-party bystanders!

"Word are weapons, sharper than knives..." -- INXS, from the song Devil Inside


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27 Dec 2019, 10:51 am

Perhaps our idea of "shaming" is different. To me, it means viewing and hating a small factor of someone as though it were their entire being. Writing the person off as "worthless" or "a problem" because "they're fat" or "a slut". Or in this case, "a virgin".

Free speech is dandy, when it's not hate speech. You speak of " correcting 'wrong' thinking", and why would that be, what does that thinking lead to?
If we look at historical records, even of just yesterday, being passive to hate speech festers bigoted thinking, which leads to bigoted actions such as assaults and letting people suffer.



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27 Dec 2019, 10:59 am

You missed the point.  It is not so much what is being said -- after all, even compliments can be perceived as hostile -- it is how the recipient feels about what is being said that makes 'shaming' effective.  No one can be 'shamed' without their cooperation.  How can a virgin be 'shamed' if he or she is actually proud of his or her virginity?

No ... any effort to criminalize 'shaming' is the effort of a few fragile snowflakes to re-make the entire world into one big "Safe Space" where they could evade criticism and calling out of whatever makes them feel bad about themselves.

"Virgin Shaming"?  How would anyone else know that someone is a virgin unless that someone told them?


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27 Dec 2019, 11:07 am

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You have to find a new group of people to hang out with!

I can't actually believe this.....


Agreed. This makes no sense. I don't think anyone has asked me if I'm a virgin since I was a teenager. And if they don't ask and you don't bring up the subject yourself, how could they "shame" you?


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27 Dec 2019, 11:24 am

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... if they don't ask and you don't bring up the subject yourself, how could they "shame" you?
If only I had not bragged to my classmates in the 3rd grade that I have First Nations (Cree) ancestry...

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27 Dec 2019, 11:51 am

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"Virgin Shaming"? How would anyone else know that someone is a virgin unless that someone told them?


Because the OP reckons that women in this particular state he lives in can sense that he's a virgin by his body language. :?


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27 Dec 2019, 11:52 am

Joe90 wrote:
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"Virgin Shaming"? How would anyone else know that someone is a virgin unless that someone told them?


Because the OP reckons that women in this particular state he lives in can sense that he's a virgin by his body language. :?


It’s just not something that most people go around talking about.


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27 Dec 2019, 11:57 am

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Joe90 wrote:
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"Virgin Shaming"? How would anyone else know that someone is a virgin unless that someone told them?


Because the OP reckons that women in this particular state he lives in can sense that he's a virgin by his body language. :?


It’s just not something that most people go around talking about.


Apparently women in the part of America where he lives judges guys who are virgins, and are psychic enough to know that a guy is a virgin.


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27 Dec 2019, 11:57 am

You can’t tell a virgin based on “body language.”



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27 Dec 2019, 12:04 pm

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You can’t tell a virgin based on “body language.”

I know, but according to the OP it's something NT women in his area can do.


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