Aspies and ageing
I can relate to the having no help problem. It's difficult in many ways, if your car breaks down, or whatever. I don't think 'maid' is the right word, Zeno, that's a servant, people just need a helping hand occasionally.
Plants can be watered in a number of ways if you're absent, just do a google search.
Luckily for me I do know one lady here who is half-crazy too and a dog/plant lover, she also lives alone like I do. She knows a lot of people here too, so I get all the gossip. I think maybe it's best to look for friendship with the other outcasts, people with bipolar/borderline or whatever - most of my 'friends' have had some kind of problem, although in hindsight it's better to avoid those with drug and alcohol problems. I own two whippets (lilke a small greyhound) and this other lady is also a whippet owner, so she just came up to my car (I had the dogs in the car) and introduced herself. We visit regularly now, she is a dog minder for other local people too.
Is there any kind of 'mental health' support or social activities group in your town? I don't know if this sort of thing exists in the middle east.
In many ways I organize my life around the fact that I have no help. Lately I been thinking about buying a ute (pickup truck in the USA) that has a hydraulic lift/gate at the back. Could come in very handy for furniture!
Maybe cacti and succulents would be a good category of plant for you if you're away a lot.
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That paragraph hit the nail on the head for me. Especially these two parts: "Why should solitude bring so much emotional pain? I seek to be by myself because that is the least painful state of being for me." and this sentence here: "People have never failed to impose a heavy penalty on me for being different."
Thank you for putting into words what I think and feel.
You are very welcomed ChatBrat.
Wanting help is not quite the same as wanting company. You can always pay people to take care of things for you. Like walk your dog, pick up your laundry, clean up the apartment, or even water the plants when you are not around. It takes money and probably the Yellow Pages but it can be done. And since the relationship is commercial and kept at arm’s length, you never have to worry about that person judging you.
But if you want people to do things for you because they are your friends/family/lovers and they like/love you, it is a different ball game. In other words, do you want the plants to stay alive or do you want someone else to validate your existence? Naturally if you are financially strapped, like many people here are, it can be hard to tell the difference. But knowing what you want and why you want it is important. There is no possibility of happiness if your desires are wrong or unattainable. Everyone on the spectrum needs to ask: What are my limitations? And to proceed from there to live the best life possible.
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There is a difference between seeking company and seeking validation. We all seek company. I would like to have a regular, enlightened sex partner who can succeed in not making me disgusted with her empty desire for sex. I would like someone to talk to, walk with, and make plans to go to Xanadu. But I do not seek validation from this person. Each Aspie is unique and it is impossible to imagine that we will find in others the image of ourselves. Most Aspies are probably intuitively aware of their separateness and lonesomeness from a very early age.
Are women Aspies any different? I too once felt a deep desire for human contact and tried very hard to foster the fragile relationships, but the end results were always punishing and painful. XX or XY, autism is a barrier that forces disjunction in all our lives. There are ways of connecting that can help us all overcome the chasms and burnt bridges. I live in the world of letters and books. One can commune far more deeply with another human being through the word than with the body.
From her latter posts, it appears that Greentea does not actually seek companionship; what she wants is a maid. That deep womanly desire for interaction might be more a figment of your imagination than you know.
Since you judge the situation with your male brain, and try to perceive the female brain and how the female brain works, from that point of view, you will find the same wall, as the NT brain finds when it seeks to understand the AS brain. Especially, when you also seem to reject the inside information I have given you, explaining why the female brain is wired differently and has different needs. Ignorence does not become you.
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I am one of the fortunate ones here. I don't have a really active social life, and am not currently in a relationship, but I do have friends at work and on my cat site and I do have a close relationship with my family, especially my mother. I have a lot of pets, too, and they are a source of comfort to me. I spend much of my time by myself reading, doing puzzles and writing, so I keep mentally active.
I never got round to thanking everyone for the very thoughtful comments on this thread.
To the person who thought I was looking for a maid: I could pay a hundred people to come water my plants, but I wouldn't give the key of my house for a whole month to anyone except a friend. Cooperation and solidarity is NOT the same as hiring a maid.
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For me... luck.
I met about 268 peers in 6 different schools of which 3 are my close friends right now and there are another 7 with who I get/got along real good/okay/was friends.
Try to get to know lots of people?
Your a woman, right, so get a somewhat new haircut, some new clothes and try to meet new people, if they don't fit you, discard them and meet yet other ones...
That's what I did. People liked the haircut and asked about clothes, and since both expressed 'me' a little, that was a first sort-out for all those who could not identify with 'me'.
I wish you much luck and energy. I hope you will stay optimistic, because optimism draws people in too! You seem very likeable from WP, so people where you live should start getting to know you better.
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Thanks, Sora but I gave up on people years ago. God knows I tried absolutely everything I could think of and more, read as much as a human can and had decades of therapy and support groups and self-help workshops. It only got worse. I tried being myself, not being myself, changing myself, not changing myself...you name it.
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Hi, Greentea. I am also an older Aspie. While solitude doesn't bother me, I do get the occasional urge to hang out with other like minded individuals. And when that doesn't happen, I get a little discouraged. I guess what I get out of these occasional interactions, is a welcome distraction from my regular routine. I get the chance to miss it, so that it is all the sweeter when returned to. I don't get what NTs get from it, which I am assuming is validation of some kind, or a chance to be part of a herd for a little while.
Illness has increased my isolation, since the people who professed to be friends and family would prefer to think I am ignoring them on purpose, than to believe that I am sick 75% percent of the time, and forced to cancel things I really would like to do.
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Hartz, you're such a nice, interesting and wise person that I always thought you had tons and tons of people queuing up to be your friend... And I'm sorry to hear you're not in good health...
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Hi Greentea!
My daughter Smelena and I have met some of the members on WP. My husband and I met SleepyDragon and her two sons, and Quatermass last year. Yesterday we met again at Smelena's house. This visit included SleepyDragon, her mother visiting from Canada and her 2 sons, Smelena and her 3 sons (two diagnosed), Smelena's husband, and my husband and I.
Meeting SleepyDragon for the second time cemented our friendship as far as I am concerned. We have talked regularly on WP and on skype throughout the year but actually meeting is a big boost.
Smelena has met with some London aspies on her way back to Australia from a holiday in Portugal. The highlight of her few weeks in Portugal staying with an old school friend or meeting the London aspies?? The highlight was meeting the aspies in London.
I am NT and my exposure to aspergers has been for the last two years with my beloved grandsons. So any insights I have may be way off the mark.
I suspect that getting to know someone on line is good because we get to know one another mind to mind and can ignore any distracting physical quirks. You can choose your friends on line. Then the act of hugging - or not hugging - in real life forms a stronger bond.
My idea of a holiday now is to visit my aspie friends as part of the package. Face to face we may be shy and awkward but still it will be fun and deepen the bond. Postpaleo has told me to drop in any time. But if he knows in advance that I am coming he will be out...and he seldom goes out!
So my suggestion is that you meet someone on your next trip or holiday that you already know on line.
Jim (husband) and I are having a second visit with SleepyDragon in a few days. She is holidaying a few hours south of us and we will stay in a motel near her for two nights. We will only see her for as many hours as she can stand on one day and I am really looking forward to it again.
If you ever come to Australia...
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I was indeed surprised that someone had met Smelena, since I did remember she lived in a remote country. Now I understand, she was visiting in Europe.
You've given me a new life goal, a thrilling one!! I'll indeed start planning a trip to meet some people from here. I once flew to Rome to meet an online friend, and it was wonderful. We've been online friends for 7 years now, and he'll probably come see me at some point too.
All of you are invited to visit me, and you get a complimentary tour of Jerusalem with me as a guide and Middle Eastern dinner! ![]()
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Hi, Greentea. I am also an older Aspie. While solitude doesn't bother me, I do get the occasional urge to hang out with other like minded individuals. And when that doesn't happen, I get a little discouraged. I guess what I get out of these occasional interactions, is a welcome distraction from my regular routine. I get the chance to miss it, so that it is all the sweeter when returned to. I don't get what NTs get from it, which I am assuming is validation of some kind, or a chance to be part of a herd for a little while.
Illness has increased my isolation, since the people who professed to be friends and family would prefer to think I am ignoring them on purpose, than to believe that I am sick 75% percent of the time, and forced to cancel things I really would like to do.
Aging gracefully topic
As you know, Hartz, I am better when I deal with people on a one-on-one basis. Too much distraction in a group setting. I never know when to speak, and sometimes things do not come out right.
Maybe lots of Aspies are like this. Greentea, too.
I am glad this is a resurrected thread. I saw the dates and it was going before I became a member.
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I am so glad that I gave you a new goal, Greentea.
We NT's who love our aspie friends are aware of overloading the senses. So we keep checking up that they are okay...we've seen our meltdowns and knows what causes them And we all hate small talk! And anyone can retreat.
Aspie to aspie friendship would have that basic understanding too.
By the way, with NT/aspie meetups Smelena has discovered a maxim - you need several aspies for one NT. The NT is not bright enough and so the aspies can spark off each other. It takes a while for Helen's brain to engage at the level of the aspie!
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I think there must be some chronic learning disability that is so prevalent among NT's that it goes unnoticed by the "experts". Krex
