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LePetitPrince
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08 Sep 2007, 4:49 pm

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Is anyone on here bilingual?

I am and I think my speech (development) took some damage by this.
I speak German and English; I have learned German first, then English. Sadly, I have little exercise in English in my everyday life. I prefer that language nonetheless

I know some other bilingual speakers and none of them appears to have quite the same problems as I. I often mix up languages when talking without meaning to. This morning I talked to my mother and somehow managed to put English words in my German sentences by accident. I also don't know the exact translation of many words which is very awkward at times.

I'm not sure whether this has to do with autism or not. I'm diagnosed with AS, but it seems likely I had classical autism as a child. My speech development was normal and I often have trouble with language - I mix up the word order in sentences in one language, I mispronounce and use the wrong words, sometimes I can't find a word at all.
Maybe that too is because I'm bilingual?


Well I am HFA , and school were used to teach me Arabic and French since I was 3 years old (even tho I didn't speak till age 5 ) but according to my parents I was kinda able to understand yet I never spoke before 5 .

I had always difficulties in languages courses tho :roll: I had trouble in French orthography and later in English 's orthography and pronunciation . In Arabic i was good in writing , yet I had some difficulties to read texts without the vowels symbols at school like "Fatha" , "Damma" and "Kassra" (only an Arabic speaker can understand what I am talking about here).

So in general , I wasn't that good in languages at school.



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09 Sep 2007, 1:26 pm

I also grew up bilingual with Greek and English, I learned both at home before I even went to school. At age 17, I learned Hebrew because I lived 5 years in Israel. At age 24 I learned Dutch because I moved to Amsterdam.

I have taken 2 years of Italian (can hold a conversation), Japanese (can hold a moderate conversation), and French (can understand more than I speak, unless in France where I pick it up easily again). I have also learned Dutch sign language and basic American sign language.

I can read many alphabets: Greek, Latin (English, Dutch, French, etc), Hebrew, Sign language finger spelling (= alphabet) of Dutch, US, British, German, Greek and a few more. I can also read and write in Braille (both US and Dutch).

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09 Sep 2007, 1:36 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
In Arabic i was good in writing , yet I had some difficulties to read texts without the vowels symbols at school like "Fatha" , "Damma" and "Kassra" (only an Arabic speaker can understand what I am talking about here).


Yeah, I know what you mean because Hebrew has the same way of using vowels. I learned in the beginning with the vowel symbols but have slowly adapted in reading without them. It is a slower process (as I don't use this language much every day) but I prefer it as it is mostly children who read with the vowel symbols (shame playes a part here for me).

I've lived in Urshalim'urkutch, and I see you are in Lub'nein. :wink:

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09 Sep 2007, 1:51 pm

my native language is Spanish, I also speak English and some French.


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09 Sep 2007, 1:56 pm

No, but I can read dutch almost as well as I can read english.



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09 Sep 2007, 3:02 pm

My first language is English, and I learned German as an adult (prior to my AS diagnosis). As I began to have conversations in German, I noticed that I had the same difficulties with introducing myself, making smalltalk, turn-taking in conversations, etc. that I'd always had in English. Now I know that was part of the AS, but at the time I just couldn't figure out why I was always having trouble remembering the "crap" phrases like "how are you, nice to meet you, where are you from?" etc. That's because I never said those things to people in English, much less a second language. :roll:



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09 Sep 2007, 3:05 pm

Bilingual. I learned Dutch when I was 30. I've never cared to become truly fluent though.

For me, the 2nd language will always remain merely a "code": You can transmit info via a code (numerical, for instance), but that carries precious little emotional content. That's what a 2nd language means to me; will NEVER carry the same weight as my mother tongue.

Sometimes I think this lack of fluency is merely a mechanism to keep folks at arm's length though. :?



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09 Sep 2007, 3:21 pm

English is my first language, though I grew up in a mostly hispanic neighborhood, a man who was from El Salvador lived with my family off and on and often tried to teach me (when he wasn't drunk and/or psychotic)...and some of my better friends could hardly speak a word of english. Somehow we managed to play and communicate just fine despite the language barrier.

When I was a little bit older, i would often have friends in school who didn't speak english, (sometimes hispanic, sometimes asian) partially because (duh) it was hard for me to make friends...so I would mantain these brief friendships until they found a less-eccentric peer group.
When I was a teenager, I ended up dating a guy from Ecuador for 6 years and I preacticly lived with him..He was educated in the US and spoke English without a hint of an accent, but his mom and grandma both could not speak english.

I took Spanish and French in High school...and studied spanish on my own....at one point I was able to have a conversation entirely in Spanish..likesay at the grocery store...or what-have-you...

But my language skills are awful...I am mad at myself that I have had that much experience with spanish and simply cannot function in that language at all. I can pick up a phrase here and there and I know some rudimentary stuff, but that is about it.

Flakey is the same way. He lived in Brazil for several years when he was young. He used to speak and understand Portugese, but no longer does.



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09 Sep 2007, 3:21 pm

unnamed wrote:
My first language is English, and I learned German as an adult (prior to my AS diagnosis). As I began to have conversations in German, I noticed that I had the same difficulties with introducing myself, making smalltalk, turn-taking in conversations, etc. that I'd always had in English. Now I know that was part of the AS, but at the time I just couldn't figure out why I was always having trouble remembering the "crap" phrases like "how are you, nice to meet you, where are you from?" etc. That's because I never said those things to people in English, much less a second language. :roll:


That IS ironic though! Perhaps every single course, at least in the US, ****STARTS**** with "How are you?"! !! !

Oh well, one German teacher I had said you should ******NEVER******* say "Wie geht's?" or "Wie gehen Sie?"! !! WHY? Because they just might tell you EVERYTHING! Of course only one teacher said that, but she WAS german! GO FIGURE! MAYBE you lucked out. Besides, germans are known for often being somewhat reserved anyway.



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09 Sep 2007, 3:43 pm

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Perhaps every single course, at least in the US, ****STARTS**** with "How are you?"! !! !

And how many computer courses don't begin with "Hello world"? :roll:



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09 Sep 2007, 5:18 pm

Sora wrote:
Is anyone on here bilingual?

I am and I think my speech (development) took some damage by this.


If that's true, it wouldn't be typical. The old myth that bilingualism slows language development (unfortunately still believed by some), has been pretty thoroughly debunked. Actually, it's often the opposite that is true. Being bilingual often facilitates language development (even in children with a language impairment), especially if both languages are equally supported in the environment (ex. one language doesn't have a status much higher than the other). I'm actually just reading an article on that now, by the way. Research into bilingual language development has provided some pretty compelling evidence for why the home language/s should be supported in school just as much as the "mainstream" language (if that differs from the home language).



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09 Sep 2007, 5:32 pm

Sora wrote:
Is anyone on here bilingual?


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09 Sep 2007, 5:53 pm

I'm fluent in both English and French.


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09 Sep 2007, 6:01 pm

My first language was German. I learned English when I was in first grade, and took Spanish in high school. Of these languages, English is the only one I know well.



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09 Sep 2007, 7:10 pm

"Is anyone on here bilingual?
I am and I think my speech (development) took some damage by this."

I doubt it. I know plenty of kids who speak two or three languages without any problems. My oldest daughter was fluent in three languages by the time she was five. It seems to come very easy to them at that age.



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09 Sep 2007, 8:42 pm

Well, I learned a second language as an adolescent, and a third as an adult. I don't think it caused any 'problems' to my brain per se, but when I am at parties based on a second or third language, the daze induced by the 'cocktail party effect' (many conversations swirling around me) is much worse than in my native tongue. My first panic attacks were in Europe - I would go to a party or family function for an hour or two, get sick, go home and collapse into sleep, and awake in an hour or two with full blown panic.

My daughter was raised English/Scandinavian bilingual and speaks French and German well enough to win awards at the high school state competitions. I don't think the bilingual thing had any negative effects on her. One family we knew raised their kid in a quadrilingual environment - there was a slight delay in speech development, but the kid does not mix languages, the delay seems like it was caused by the kid taking time to separate the languages.