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26 Aug 2005, 11:27 am

Whoa...lets be just a tad careful here.

ADHD is often comorbid with Asperger's.

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26 Aug 2005, 11:31 am

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You guys make like there's something wrong with trolling every now and then.

Look im an aspie. I hate not knowing whats going on and as has been pointed out before we are easily decieved. Would you dance in front of a wheelchair bound person for enjoyment?

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26 Aug 2005, 11:35 am

"ADHDers are also more sporadic and inconsistent in their work. They're the kids who run around the classroom saying random things. Aspies are focused and intelligent in their speech. I mean Asperger's syndrome is pretty much the stereotypical nerdy smart kid, the "walking encyclopedia." ADHDers are hyper, the Ritalin kids."

THAT was offensive.. :evil:

Actually many with ADHD have stereotyped interests, it used to be in the criterium/criteria!
They dont have problems with focusing on their interests, its other things they have problem with. Because of that many of them become very good in those interests!
Many of them can be more inteligent than aspies too. geez..

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26 Aug 2005, 11:36 am

NeantHumain wrote:

You guys make like there's something wrong with trolling every now and then.

As a matter of fact, I was born as a troll.
I was almost four years old before my first trolling begun.
My parents feared I wouldn't troll my whole live, but eventually I did.
I have severe difficulty with trolling in real live, but less in writing.

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26 Aug 2005, 11:48 am

Kerrigan wrote:

THAT was offensive.. :evil:

Actually many with ADHD have stereotyped interests, it used to be in the criterium/criteria!
They dont have problems with focusing on their interests, its other things they have problem with. Because of that many of them become very good in those interests!
Many of them can be more inteligent than aspies too. geez..

So when its stuff their interested in suddenly they have no problem focusing. It looks like good old fashioned lazy sefishness to me. :shameonyou:

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26 Aug 2005, 11:53 am

No, not laziness I don't think.

I'll look for a link later but the newer thoughts on ADHD is that is not lack of focus or attention but weaker executive funtions...an inability to control where the forus goes.

For example, I went to the movies with my ADHD son. He didn't enjoy the movie because the movie screen had a seam in it and that seam was getting the same level of attention as the action on the movie. He would have prefered to focus on the movie but just couldn't.

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26 Aug 2005, 11:57 am

Yeah i get like that too. Sometimes i struggle to concentrate on things i do like. Just wondering if it a lazy subconcious mind or something else because there arent any ways of picking up exactly what it is yet i dont think. What i meant but is how they concentrate on things they do like all of a sudden.

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26 Aug 2005, 12:09 pm

BeeBee wrote:

Whoa...lets be just a tad careful here.

ADHD is often comorbid with Asperger's.

In 1994 I was diagnosed with DSM-III-R undifferentiated attention-deficit disorder (roughly equivalent to DSM-IV-TR attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, predominantly inattentive type). I know. Officially though, a pervasive developmental disorder supercedes ADHD; so an aspie is an aspie, not an ADHDer.

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26 Aug 2005, 12:14 pm

eamonn wrote:

NeantHumain wrote:

You guys make like there's something wrong with trolling every now and then.

Look im an aspie. I hate not knowing whats going on and as has been pointed out before we are easily decieved. Would you dance in front of a wheelchair bound person for enjoyment?

I am as aspie as any of you. I was diagnosed in December 2002 as having, "Results of this multidisciplinary evaulation [...] [being] consistent with the Missouri Department of Elementary and Secondary Education's (DESE) criteria for identifying [NeantHumain] as a student with Autism."

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26 Aug 2005, 12:17 pm

^^You are correct. I was wrong.

What I was trying to say was that the sterotypes were getting a bit thick in this thread.

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26 Aug 2005, 12:23 pm

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I didn't mean to offend. Children with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, combined type, do have an average full-scale IQ of 98 according to ADHD: Nature, Course, Outcomes, and Comorbidity by Russell A. Barkley, Ph.D.. All the information I've read about hyperfocus in ADHD is that it's an informally mentioned thing and not a well-researched area of ADHD. It is speculated to be a sign of subclinical autistic traits more than anything from what I've read—mainly Wikipedia: Hyperfocus.

If it's any consolation, in 1994 I was diagnosed with DSM-III-R undifferentiated attention-deficit disorder; and I do, in some situations, show signs and symptoms of hyperactivity-impulsivity, too. I'm not meaning to degrade or insult anyone. If anything, this whole topic is the result of ADHD-style cortical underarousal.

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26 Aug 2005, 1:05 pm

Dont worry about what i said about being an aspie i was just trying to noise you up back. When you say you dont mean to offend i dont believe you though. I think that as well as having a joke about things that is exactly your intention.

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26 Aug 2005, 1:17 pm

eamonn wrote:

There's really no intention in this post. It's more just doing something. It might be a little controversial, but it's not meant to offend per se.

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26 Aug 2005, 2:06 pm

NeantHumain wrote:

There's really no intention in this post. It's more just doing something.

You're probably right. I was beginning to get worried when I hadn't seen a new headache-inducing topic in the last ten minutes.

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26 Aug 2005, 2:10 pm

what a tardy list.

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26 Aug 2005, 4:02 pm

I think there is an extreme danger in believing everything that the DSM puts forth. Use it as a GUIDELINE. Not as GOD.

Skepticism is my favorite passtime. Well worth the investment.

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