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07 Feb 2008, 4:28 pm

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I've managed to control, just one symptom, and it has changed my personality quite a bit. If there were a "cure" that affected every known autistic symptom, I know, I would be a totally different person. Whether good or bad, I can't say. I don't think I would be willing to take that chance unless it were completely reverseable. My hope is that research targets each symptom individually, and provides choices, as to which symptoms each person would like to treat. To wish for a cure-all is irrational, and a bit insane. My advice is, to concentrate on each specific symptom you would like treatment for, and forget about a cure-all. :wink:


I like the way you put it! I for one am doing anything possible to make sure to keep myself happy, and make sure everybody around me is happy as well. Meaning, finding a way that doesn't hurt me or change me, but that makes me be able to control my autistic tendencies better where it won't affect my lifestyle or anybody else around me. I'm doing it the non-biomedical way, the non-therapautic way, I'm doing it a way, I can still be me and not hurt or change me in any way.

I'm doing sign, pecs, redirecting my autistic behaviors into better ways, finding other ways of expressing the way im feeling with certian things, talking to other ppl, making autism more aware so ppl can understand who i am, and still accept me. Therefore, i can still handflap, giggling uncontrollably, spin out of excitement, and be myself, without doing stuff thats too expensive, or that might eliminate what god gave to me in the first place! The gym i go to, already knows im autistic, they talk to me in a calm voice, no loud tones, no sarcasm, understands i dont give eye contact, and treats me like an individual, and know my exact routine, I spread my awareness there. I let the world know who i am, i'm not afraid to. When i do become a mother, i'm going to do the same thing for that child, make sure as much as i can possible to make that child happy, no matter how functioning they are, and make sure everybody around that child accepts that child as well.


I support what you are doing. I just don't like those who want to prevent me from choosing an alternate path by opposing research into biomedical treatments.


Thanks, i may disagree with you, but if you want to choose the biomedical path, then thats okay, its your choice. I personally dont want a cure or ever try biomedical treatments, I may be disabled, yes, but I rather find a way to make people accept me rather then try to cure the problem itself, thats my personal opinion and choice!


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07 Feb 2008, 4:32 pm

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Only if you have that attitude.

I have no job currently and never will until I'm done with college, as I want to do web design.

I will never have close friends or get married or engage in sex, but I WILL have a kid or two.

I'm happy how I am and you should be too.

Friends and marriage are overrated.


I've tried really hard for years before I even heard of biomedical treatments and I failed every time.

"I will never ... engage in sex, but I WILL have a kid or two." Hate to be the one to tell you but that's IMPOSSIBLE.



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07 Feb 2008, 4:33 pm

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"I will never ... engage in sex, but I WILL have a kid or two." Hate to be the one to tell you but that's IMPOSSIBLE.


1. Adoption.
2. Sperm bank.

Not impossible.



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07 Feb 2008, 4:37 pm

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Thanks, i may disagree with you, but if you want to choose the biomedical path, then thats okay, its your choice. I personally dont want a cure or ever try biomedical treatments, I may be disabled, yes, but I rather find a way to make people accept me rather then try to cure the problem itself, thats my personal opinion and choice!


I'm glad to hear you are okay with my choice. I understand you want people to accept you. I want people to accept me to but the way I look at it is that everyone has problems (including all NTs) and working on them can help us become better people. One example is telling kids not to give into peer pressure which is basically teaching NT kids to be more autistic.



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07 Feb 2008, 4:37 pm

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Only if you have that attitude.

I have no job currently and never will until I'm done with college, as I want to do web design.

I will never have close friends or get married or engage in sex, but I WILL have a kid or two.

I'm happy how I am and you should be too.

Friends and marriage are overrated.


I've tried really hard for years before I even heard of biomedical treatments and I failed every time.

"I will never ... engage in sex, but I WILL have a kid or two." Hate to be the one to tell you but that's IMPOSSIBLE.


I just want to say one thing I've learned growing up... you try, you fail, you try, you fail, the only true failure is when you stop trying!


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07 Feb 2008, 4:40 pm

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"I will never ... engage in sex, but I WILL have a kid or two." Hate to be the one to tell you but that's IMPOSSIBLE.


1. Adoption.
2. Sperm bank.

Not impossible.


Okay. I guess you can get kids that way although they wouldn't be yours (part of your blood family). I'm curious, would they really let someone with autism adopt children? I'm sure they do background checks. I don't even know if they would let a single person adopt children.



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07 Feb 2008, 4:41 pm

If you're happy with what you're doing, go for it!

I choose not to take the cure, because I'm comfortable with my AS.

Different strokes, for different folks.


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07 Feb 2008, 4:43 pm

zendell wrote:
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"I will never ... engage in sex, but I WILL have a kid or two." Hate to be the one to tell you but that's IMPOSSIBLE.


1. Adoption.
2. Sperm bank.

Not impossible.


Okay. I guess you can get kids that way although they wouldn't be yours (part of your blood family). I'm curious, would they really let someone with autism adopt children? I'm sure they do background checks. I don't even know if they would let a single person adopt children.


Yes single people can adopt, as for autistic person adopting yes, they come and check the house and further interview the person, no matter the diagnosis the person has, if they seem fit enough to raise a child, then so be it. I was adopted so i actually know a lot about adoption. Let me tell you even through adoption, you dont know what your going to get lol, my mother defintely wasn't suspecting adopting an autistic haha, oh well, she had a chance to return me lol.


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07 Feb 2008, 4:43 pm

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I'm curious, would they really let someone with autism adopt children? I'm sure they do background checks. I don't even know if they would let a single person adopt children.

Depending on the organization you go to.

Most of the ones in Arizona don't discriminate against marital status or disability. You just have to be 18 or older.


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07 Feb 2008, 4:45 pm

Go for whatever you want to do. Nobody's stopping you, least of all a bunch of people on the Internet that you've never met, probably never will meet, and have no control over the particular industry that you get your 'treatment' from.

But please don't tell other people that we're higher-functioning or lower-functioning than you just because of the choices we make. That is like saying that a person's choices are ruled by their brain type and nothing else. It denies both your freedom of choice and the rest of our freedom of choice. I've known a lot of autistic people who want and don't want cures and the perceived functioning level" varies so much that it clearly has nothing to do with that, although many people who want one will assert that they are "lower functioning" than those who don't, even when it's demonstrably inaccurate.

Also, whenever it becomes considered normal to want to die rather than have a condition, then people with that condition start to experience lower standards of living conditions. I have been denied necessary dental treatment in the past on the grounds that someone like me doesn't need it because we're considered either sort of walking-dead or better-off-dead. I have friends who have been denied medical treatment on similar grounds. I know that you do not intend to contribute to this, which is why I am mentioning it as an unintended consequence you might not be aware of. (But that has been studied to death by people like Dick Sobsey.)

Please consider that the hurt a person feels to their feelings when encountering disagreement with their viewpoint, while undoubtedly real, is much less damaging than the material damage done to our lives when others assume that we would rather be dead than be like we are, or that they would rather be dead than be like us. Also please consider that some of us did think it was better to be dead than be like us, before we encountered some of the views we have now encountered, and that therefore even on an emotional level our messages are not ones that always cause hurt, or that who this emotional hurt will be caused to is predictable.

That said, I do support research. I already know that there are known non-genetic causes of autism, so I don't think all causes are genetic or that something being genetic makes it better than being from something else. (Too long in the disability rights movement with people who value their spinal cord injuries and the like, to believe that something being genetic is the only way to look at it as something other than awful.) I think research should be into things that actually make autistic people's lives better though, and that's undoubtedly where we disagree.

And I don't like elitism or any of the other stuff described. I also don't like "anti-cure" being lumped in with a whole lot of negative traits, the creation of a new stereotype to denigrate a diverse group of people with a diverse range of views, some of which make sense and some really don't.

And I think there are plenty of ways to improve a life without having to remove autism from it.


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07 Feb 2008, 4:47 pm

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Okay. I guess you can get kids that way although they wouldn't be yours (part of your blood family). I'm curious, would they really let someone with autism adopt children? I'm sure they do background checks. I don't even know if they would let a single person adopt children.


Oh of course.
People let schizophrenics, criminals, etc, etc. have children, why couldn't autistics adopt? :roll:
Someone who isn't mentally fit to the point that they wouldn't be allowed to adopt children probably would have their own instead of adopting, anyway.
Although I do *do* wish there was a breeding lisence at times.



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07 Feb 2008, 4:50 pm

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Oh of course.
People let schizophrenics, criminals, etc, etc. have children

Not usually.

Agencies may not discriminate, but laws in most states prohibit these two groups from adopting.

Hell, in Texas, if you have kids already and get a schizophrenia DX, they take away your kids even if you haven't abused them.


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07 Feb 2008, 4:54 pm

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...in Texas, if you have kids already and get a schizophrenia DX, they take away your kids even if you haven't abused them.


I mean as, having children themselves, not adopting.
I don't understand why these people can have offspring the old fashioned way, but can't adopt. It doesn't make sense to me.



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07 Feb 2008, 4:54 pm

Zendell, the only treatment you need is CBT. Please take the word of a 40 year old autistic that's been thru' the mill. That "never get laid, get friends" etc. attitude is the problem, not autism. Getting girlfriends, friends etc. are skills that need practice to develop. [NT's need to practice too, they just learn better]. Even if you cured your autism, you'd still have these negative thought processes. Cognative Behavoural Therepy and a good shag is the answer, not chelation, HBOT and all that snake oil...


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07 Feb 2008, 4:55 pm

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I think the reason a lot of people are against "the cure" is because there's a 99.9% chance it would be forced onto everyone.
I can see it now.....applying for a job....."Sorry, we won't hire you until you get the cure."


I don't think there is any chance that would happen. I don't mean to be offensive, but it strikes me as paranoia.


Just 50 years ago, a diagnosis of mental illness in the US could mean an appointment with an icepick and a hammer, without due process, without court appeals and without any legal rights. Your faith in the fundamental goodness of humanity is admirable. "The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

Here's a simple and fairly probable scenario, with my guess of probabilities:
* Mandatory health coverage (40% probable)
* 'Wellness' incentives (95% probable)
* Asperger's "Cure" as part of "Wellness" (80% probable)
* Availability of Asperger's "Cure" (unknown)

Taken independently, the first three items have a combined 30% chance of coming about.

Yes, I'm scared. If you're not a little bit scared, it may be because you haven't seen just how nasty humans can be to each other.

My life is not great right now, but it's ok. I will resist The Icepick, though.



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07 Feb 2008, 5:07 pm

Zendell, if those curebie parents spend as much energy, time and money on working together for a more accepting culture and more options for their kids, as they do, bonding over the cure culture, like it's some revivial, I wouldn't be so down on them.

It's been my experience while my daughter was growing up, that most of the parents who of autistic kids who bothered to be active about autism, flocked around the cure presentations, nothing about looking out their what their kids will need when they grow up.,

That tells me that it's not their kids they love. They love some image of a cured kid and are saving all their love and future resources for that phantom kid.

So if you show me parents who are balanced, realistic, love and fully accept their kids, just as they are but still want cures, they will have my respect and I'll accept them, too.


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