Why did my psychologist write this lie about me?

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Why did my psychologist write this lie about me?
The psychologist did not understand the logical difference between "dumb" and "not a genius". 43%  43%  [ 18 ]
The psychologist thought I was probably too dull to understand the difference between the two terms, and reasoned that I used them interchangeably. 10%  10%  [ 4 ]
The psychologist projected onto me her perception of my level of intelligence. 45%  45%  [ 19 ]
The psychologist wrote down exactly what I told her. It must be that I am the liar. (I am not) 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 42

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12 Feb 2009, 1:22 am

I think you give your psychologist too much credit. I think she wrote down what she thought she heard.

this has happened to me before. I noticed that a lot of my DX is just 'filler' information and nothing to actually do with me. The one that diagnosed my AS wrote that I "denied reading True Detective or Guns and Ammo Magazine" What??

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12 Feb 2009, 1:28 am

Well that's a dead giveaway that something's wrong with you for sure!


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12 Feb 2009, 2:29 am

Baw somebody called me dumb! :cry:

Get over it.



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12 Feb 2009, 2:42 am

LabPet wrote:
And, now that I'm in the mood (heh heh).....

Social Worker is an OXYMORON. With emphasis on the MORON.

haha sounds like you met someone like my sister, it was difficult to have an NT sister who's also social worker



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12 Feb 2009, 2:45 am

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I would still expect that "Dumb" in this case refers to being "mute" not stupid, especially if they are trained within the UK where dumb doesnt mean stupid outside of slang.


This is true. I am selectably mute.



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12 Feb 2009, 4:14 am

I know that we are ment see the world in black and white and no shades of grey, but I am sure that all of understand that many people exist who are not totally stupid but at the same time are not the brightest of the bright.

I would say that just becuase someone is not in the top 0.001 % of the population, then it does not mean that they are stupid. I think that if this "health care professional" thinks that a person is either stupid or the greatest mind alive and nothing in between, then it suggests that this "health care professional" is not the "sharpest tool in the box".

I suspect that I am never going to get a nobel prize, partly for political reasons and partly becuase so many gifted people exists and only one prize per year per subject exists. My failure to obtain a nobel prize and thus prove that I am a super genius does not then mean I am stupid.

LabPet what on earth did 'Dean-the-Virgo' mean when he asked "do you see dead people ?", I suspect that the only time you are likely to see a dead person is if you either see a dead body or a photograph of a dead person taken when the person was alive.


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12 Feb 2009, 7:08 am

I can't decide whether it's the psychologist being a prick and thinking you're unintelligent, or whether it's because the psychologist couldn't suss the difference between dumb and not a genius.

Funny about psychologists though - I've always had very good psychologists.


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12 Feb 2009, 7:49 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I like your topics because often there's this insecurity. At times you have a sense of humor about it, tho. I chose the first answer. I don't think I should have voted because the answer I would have chosen wasn't a choice. What I think might have happened is the psychologist was a little careless and made a mistake. Without thinking she substituted the word "dumb" for the words "not a genius". It is a little odd because dumb implies not thinking while not being a genius has more to do with lower IQ test scores or whatever.


This is what I think is the most likely explanation.


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12 Feb 2009, 8:29 am

Not all psychologists are like that, it depends on the person.

My guess is she completed the section on how you feel about yourself.

Reading it between the lines to say as an NT

"I am not exactly a genius" can be taken in many different ways.
Just like saying

"I need more sport" to describe your physical appearance can imply that you are overweight, but it does not mean you are, people may say this if they are unfit or wish to do more sports.

People in general read between the lines. AS do not and are not always able to do this.

Also don't forget most AS have above average intelligence, it is possible she thought this is how you felt about yourself. Maybe you should ask why this was written? It would maybe put your mind at rest.



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12 Feb 2009, 9:16 am

Possibly it's because people tend to over-inflate their attributes. So, if someone says "I'm a genius!", chances are they are merely above average. If someone says "I'm not a genius", chances are, they might be below average.

Of course, people with AS are more likely to state it how it is and people don't really understand that. Especially most psychologists. As someone said before, they "live in the lines".



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12 Feb 2009, 11:00 am

The psychologist isn't abnormally literal but understanding language normally.

That would be another very likely option.


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12 Feb 2009, 11:41 am

I wouldn't read too much into it.

She probably took other things that you said abot youself and deducted that is how you feel about yourself.

Although, when someone uses quotation marks, they are supposed to use the exact words that were said. But NTs don't always follow rules the way we do.



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12 Feb 2009, 11:43 am

At any rate, your posts are above average, Mw. I think it was a mistake of the psychologist to use the word "dumb". Professionals should avoid vague adjectives like "dumb" "stupid" "pretty" "ugly" "smart" "skinny" "fat" "rude"
"polite" ect and stick with concise, clinical terminology unless they are direct quotes from the client.



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12 Feb 2009, 12:12 pm

NTs would use it as a euphemism ... as in "He wasn't exactly a genius, if you know what i mean!" They'd end this sentence with a slight head nod and a simultaneous half wink to make sure others would know they really meant "He was stupid!" This is so as not to appear "rude" by describing someone as stupid. Even if this is true, it is considered a bad thing to do in NT circles. Even though every NT within earshot knows that this is exactly what is happening, they all feel better about themselves whilst doing it.

It's their weasel words, saying one thing but meaning another, goes on all the bloody time and i'm only now at 44 getting to see it, or at least the more blatant ones.

So when talking about themselves they couldn't say "I know I have a low IQ." Because it would make them feel bad. So they swap it around to make it easier to face by saying "I know I ain't exactly a genius Doc!" The doctor would then know the patient was admitting to being of low intelligence... if this was two NTs talking the code works a treat. The patient only admits to being "not a genius" (after all, genii are rare and strange people right?) and saves face in front of a higher social ranking figure of authority (the doctor) and both parties save social embarrassment.

But, if one party is an aspie... then it all goes tits up. The aspie doc thinks the NT patient is stating the bleeding obvious and wonders why he bothered! "You're right Mr. Typical, you are not a genius."

But if the doc is NT and the patient an aspie, as in this case, then the data gets so corrupted by NT stupid social rules and traditional euphemistic behaviour that the meaning is totally reversed. The patient says "I realise i am not a genius." A statement of fact, some of us are lucky enough to have savant streaks within us, some don't. Many NTs expect us all to be able to copy a Picasso at one glance with only a twig and two shades of mud to do it with! But as we know this, sometimes they need telling that we're not all bloody genii and most of us are normal and upwards.

But the doc hears the age old euphemism ""I know I ain't exactly a genius Doc!" and automatically, without thinking (which they do a lot!) writes down "Patient realises he is of low IQ." or some such. Thereby missing the point of the statement completely!

And they wonder why they exasperate us so much! It's taken me till middle age to put together enough of their damn stupid behaviour to flesh out what's going on in a situation like this, and quite a lengthy post to jot it all down. They do this automatically, yet it is all largely unnecessary fluff. Convoluted rules and ritual over complicating things when a simple statement and a literal reading would have done in the first place!

Try explaining a simple interaction like this too them though, step by step, and they'll say we're looking at it too deeply or reading stuff into it that doesn't exist. But it seems to me this is what went on here... all in a few seconds and we're left gasping going "WTF! What just happened there?" And having to work it out step by step later on.



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12 Feb 2009, 12:13 pm

Did you say something to her like that you do dumb things around other people? That's probably why the word is in her report.

But the real question is why are you getting so wrapped up in what one person said and why even get a copy of your psych's records anyway?



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12 Feb 2009, 12:38 pm

None of the above options are correct.

I don't think the report in any way indicates that she thinks you're dumb. I think she was just attempting to read between the lines and went too far. If you perseverate about your level of intelligence in front of her that indicates to her that you might feel insecure and have low self esteem. It comes across as you being worried that you're not intelligent enough. That has nothing to do with her thinking on your actual level of intelligence.