Is Baron-Cohen famous in America?
Let me reiterate that I completely agree on your point that it is wrong that he is using asperger's as an excuse for going to jail and I believe that SBC as at risk of demonising our condition and damaging his own integraty.
To be honest however, the reason so many people here are supporting Gary has very little to do with his AS diagnosis. We sympathise with him because:
1) We do not see him getting a fair trial in the US. (The attitude you're expressing in you posts kind of supports this fear)
2) The extradition rules are entirely one sided. The UK cannot ask America to drag a US citizen over here to tried in a British court, by a British jury. Afterall, if he has committed a crime he committed it on UK soil so why not try him here. To use an analogy; if he'd murdered an American tourist in London, he would not be charged by an American prosecution team
3) He is not a terrorist.
Meh. Only entertainers are famous in America.
In the autism community, there is a grudging, unspoken understanding that SBC, and the research institute he directs (U. Cambridge Centre for Autism Research) is the world's foremost.
We just don't say that, cuz we never say that about anyone.
AMERICA! F*** YEA! NUMBAH ONE ! !! !
He's nowhere near Tony Atwood's fame in the US, no, but that's because he's a researcher, not someone who writes books about AS. But he's very famous to people who are in the neuroscience field.
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To be honest however, the reason so many people here are supporting Gary has very little to do with his AS diagnosis. We sympathise with him because:
1) We do not see him getting a fair trial in the US. (The attitude you're expressing in you posts kind of supports this fear)
2) The extradition rules are entirely one sided. The UK cannot ask America to drag a US citizen over here to tried in a British court, by a British jury. Afterall, if he has committed a crime he committed it on UK soil so why not try him here. To use an analogy; if he'd murdered an American tourist in London, he would not be charged by an American prosecution team
3) He is not a terrorist.
1) He will get a fair trial, the only question is, did he break the law. It is not unfair just because you are guilty.
2) Are you saying I can run whatever I want and no British Court can touch me? Just because I did it from here and never set foot there? If as you say Cyber Terrorism is OK, what about Mail Bombs, Anthrax, blowing up planes mid Atlantic, will the Atlantians have to charge me with littering?
The Internet is an extention of Mail, Transport. Under the British Doctrine of The Law of the High Seas, we did not depend on the locals when the USS Cole was bombed. We did not try people under Afgan Law over 9/11.
By your reconing we should just send an unmanned drone to fire a Hellfire missle, problem solved, never set foot in England. We have resolved several problems that way.
3) He came to the United States and broke into a secure Government network, the crime was commited here. Unlike killing a tourist, no crime was commited in Britian.
If there was a British Law that covered the issue, it would be about spies using Britian as a base for launching an attack on an ally during time of war.
Spies do not get trials, have no protection under the Geneva Convention, they are questioned then taken out and shot.
Kim Philby? He got a lot of ours killed in Eastern Europe.
So we want the person, all the details, and if he is just some dumb kid we want to know, but if he is a dumb kid with friends we want to know.
This should have been a simple government to government exchange. That all of the British Press has been turned on, and Baron-Cohen, seems like a coverup.
It appears that the highest levels of British intelligence do not want this hacker questioned?
My advice to him is before you have an accident involving a bus, go to the US Embassy, claim asylem.
We want you alive, they want you to never speak.
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Asperger's is never a defense.
This was not done with a Dell, he had higher help, and lots of data was lifted,
This was State Intelligence, and they do not want to explain.
Gary McKinnon has been charged, that cannot be undone with psychobabble, he is a proven felon, and under treaty with the United Kingdom, he needs to be delivered here for trial.
We have other spies doing life, no exceptions, no fronts or fall guys, do the deal we will hunt you down. We want to know who he delivered the information to.
This goes right to the top.
Wow.
