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Danielismyname
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03 May 2009, 10:07 am

Eh? Rett's isn't any worse than Autism, really, other than having a shortened lifespan, much like Down syndrome. Females with it are lucky due to the extra chromosome, but it's the males who're unlucky.

I don't know why someone would wish to terminate a child with Rett's, unless they somehow didn't want any child, whether normal or abnormal. The same with Autism and Down's, all of which are equally severe.



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03 May 2009, 10:11 am

Danielismyname wrote:
Eh? Rett's isn't any worse than Autism, really, other than having a shortened lifespan, much like Down syndrome. Females with it are lucky due to the extra chromosome, but it's the males who're unlucky.

I don't know why someone would wish to terminate a child with Rett's, unless they somehow didn't want any child, whether normal or abnormal. The same with Autism and Down's, all of which are equally severe.

At least in Autism and downs we (hopefully) maintain all our abilities. Its the Cerebal Palsy symptoms which make it a lot more severe than most cases of Autism. Quality of life from all those things on that list can in some cases be extremely poor - it would depend on the health of the child.



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03 May 2009, 10:17 am

But in Autism, the actual autistic symptoms are far worse, as they're lifelong. Whereas the social deficits in Rett's tend to be outgrown in the early school years.



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03 May 2009, 10:22 am

i would not mind being saved from normalcy. but reading through so many posts concerning the angst that aspies go through every day makes me not want to become one. my life is already too angsty without that added stress.



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03 May 2009, 10:24 am

Danielismyname wrote:
But in Autism, the actual autistic symptoms are far worse, as they're lifelong. Whereas the social deficits in Rett's tend to be outgrown in the early school years.

If they are not lifelong, then its a completely different matter really and the relation between Autism and Retts is not massively significant, especially in the abortion / cure debate.



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03 May 2009, 10:30 am

I don't see why one gets people standing for it but the other doesn't. What makes Autism more worthy of life than Rett's? Nothing.

I'm not talking of AS here, I'm talking of Profound Autism to run-of-the-mill Kanner's Autism, and both are equally or more severe than Rett's in most ways other than life expectancy and other physical symptoms.

Cerebral palsy by itself isn't any more or less worthy of life than Rett's either.

It's either all of us or none of us.



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03 May 2009, 11:02 am

Kangoogle wrote:
* hypotonia


Hypotonia is frequent in those with AS actually.


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03 May 2009, 11:08 am

Danielismyname wrote:
I don't see why one gets people standing for it but the other doesn't. What makes Autism more worthy of life than Rett's? Nothing.

I'm not talking of AS here, I'm talking of Profound Autism to run-of-the-mill Kanner's Autism, and both are equally or more severe than Rett's in most ways other than life expectancy and other physical symptoms.

Cerebral palsy by itself isn't any more or less worthy of life than Rett's either.

It's either all of us or none of us.

One teeny argument - you can get some very smart LFA people...



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03 May 2009, 11:19 am

You can get people with Rett's who're smart. I haven't looked it up, but I'm betting more people with Autism have a subnormal IQ than those with Rett's. You can get normal people who're "dumb".

Why base something on intelligence? LFA, those who're "dumb", are just as worthy of life as those with HFA/"LFA" who're "smart".

Again, it's either all of us or none of us.

When you start picking and choosing, you start adding value to life, and then it's saying that one type is more valuable than another. This is morally unsound.



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03 May 2009, 11:39 am

Danielismyname wrote:
You can get people with Rett's who're smart. I haven't looked it up, but I'm betting more people with Autism have a subnormal IQ than those with Rett's. You can get normal people who're "dumb".

Why base something on intelligence? LFA, those who're "dumb", are just as worthy of life as those with HFA/"LFA" who're "smart".

Again, it's either all of us or none of us.

When you start picking and choosing, you start adding value to life, and then it's saying that one type is more valuable than another. This is morally unsound.

Not as morally unsound as the current system of making such decisions on whom you are born to, or where. Intelligence is a fair discriminator if it is measured accurately.



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03 May 2009, 12:11 pm

All right, this is like, feeling creepy. Making me shudder because I understand that as inhumane.

I can't see why people can think that if their position is 'morally unsound' that they are better than another by their personal standards and think they thus have the right to blame someone else of being more morally unsound.

That's like, oh I kill animals because it's fun and cool and I think they don't have the right to life like humans do because they're so low creatures, but I seriously think that people killing people is dead wrong because they all have equal right to live.

All right, so my autistic brain cannot wrap itself around that kind of social, emotional thinking.

Nevertheless it seriously disturbs me that people are willing to disrespect others so much that and willing to cast them aside without concern, claiming themselves superior due to one or several meaningless traits.

I thought life taught us all better than that, but this is alarming.


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03 May 2009, 12:38 pm

^Agrees with Sora.
Am pro cure [pro choice] and think there is equal worth to all the spectrum,choice where possible-not expected and forced by anyone else whether it's the Autism or Autistic community.
There is actually a member with Retts on here,her input on retts would be good in this thread,only Retts Autists should have the say on curing their condition.

And a possible life limiting condition isn't a reason to cure,it is probably more understandable having a life limiting condition rather than looking in.Watch the UK series 'born to be different',they were born with their disabilities,and most have life limiting ones but aren't reaching for a cure because of it.


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03 May 2009, 8:39 pm

Sora,

Determining a person's right to life based on disorders, superficial means, and other behaviours that aren't hurtful to others [based on choice] is morally unsound.



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03 May 2009, 8:51 pm

I'm 35 myself and I'm glad I was born before this "autism awareness age" even though I didn't think that way at first. I thought, "man, these kids today are lucky because they can get an early diagnosis and their problems can be improved upon much quicker than my problems ever were." But in a sense that's not a good thing because today's generation of AS kids will have less freedom to think for themselves and make their own decisions. Without these two things, it will be harder to make mistakes and learn from them. There will be too much parental intervention to try and make their children "normal" which is impossible, and the kids will wind up suffering for it.


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03 May 2009, 10:35 pm

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I do not wish to be saved from my AS. There's nothing for the quacks to save me from. I don't wish to be treated, and I find the words, cure and recovery very insulting. There is one thing that I have recovered from, and that's the ignorance and stupidity of the majority of the people who make up society. I'm not sick, I do not have a disease and I am not broken. I'm also glad that I was born 35 years ago, now that Autism Speaks wants to come up with a test that screens for unborn autistics. I feel that I'm one of the lucky ones, and that future auties and aspies will be murdered by their mothers, due to the type of test that I've mentioned. I'm independent, I work and I have friends. I also have the privilege of enjoying the beauty of life. ... I respect that everybody's different, and we all have different opinions about this hot topic, but this is where I stand.

Amen, sister! (I am not being sarcastic.)


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