Can those living today live forever?

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Yes your information can be stored within a quantum computer for as long as needed, sure beats the "freeze" meathod

Inventing self replicating ultra smart nanos to permanently bond with the human species is opening Pandora's box. I'm all for going to mars, though I'd be underqualified to be in the first group. And I don't have perfect health (not to mention the whole autism thingy), so I'd probably have to stow away some how.

Anyway, it's not that I don't want to live forever, I just think that even from a scientific perspective it's more rational to have faith that God can make that happen for us than to believe that man is capable of such a thing. Of all class 2 impossiblilities, this one can't even suspend my disbelief in a fictional story.

And the bit about stuff eventually going wrong was less about fretting and more of a comment about chaos theory and the second law of thermodynamics being arrogantly ignored while making high claims about how humans (or machines) can make this process last indefinitely. Alot of bragging, not alot of perspective. I want to see a perpetual motion machine, not a drawing of how it's supposed to flawlessly work.

Synth, I gotta tell ya - I've always hated that idea!
It would actually work, of course - but I can't stand the thought of an Ishmael running about, recording it's experiences for me, thinking it's THE Ishmael!
Even though, technically speaking, I am a geneticist - physics are my better talent! That's why I am a good geneticist, I suppose. The two are anything but mutually exclusive.
Amongst my autism and organ cloning research, there's a particle disassembler theory I've been tossing around... it would - if succesful, years away from even having the resources for a prototype - perfectly scan detailed particle information of an object and either disassemble the object and transmit, or keep the object intact and transmit data.
A similar process can be used for live stasis - ceasing the atomic motion of an object, without losing particle cohesion - maybe. I wouldn't want to be the test subject, anyway.
But working on that has given me a perspective on what could really be called yourself.
Now, even still, I couldn't think of a funnier practical joke than a house - or a city - full of Ishmaels...

I've thought about that before too. We are gradually destroyed and rebuilt about every seven years, are we not? In teleportation this would just happen alot faster. Different particles, same information. But the idea that if further duplicated, you can't possibly be all duplicates leads me to question if the real me really was killed. Then that leads me to question how many times I've already died just by changing. Not even every seven years, that's just mere cellular matter. I'm a different me every moment. Who the heck am I? Thinking too much about clones and/or teleportation disturbs me a little.

Ishmael said:

Interesting topic I've started to look into recently but not done any experiments yet. Again I'd be interested if you could point me in a forward direction, as I already have ideas about how to become quasi-immortal with that technology. (What lab equipment would I need?)

At the moment, do you have any idea how you (if this is your idea) would circumvent the heisenberg uncertainty principle which says you can not accurately determine the states and positions of particles simultaneously?

Of course. Using the Heisenberg compensator, silly. Don't you ever watch Star Trek?

there is a large possibility that the universe will expand forever.

the energy that drives the universe came from the big bang.

it instilled the fresh unadulterated energy that coalesced into material overtures of the energy.

energy is not ever lost, but it becomes more stable and useless as time goes by.

if we continue to expand, then the stars that are hydrogen based ones will become exctinct and there will be stars that are fusions started from heavier elements.

like carbon fusion stars and iron stars etc.

so hydrogen in the astronomically distant future will be all gone. so will helium and all the lighter elements.

if the mass produced by the resynthesis of the lighter elements into heavier ones is enough, then we will continue to have fusion reactions in heavier elements, but at some time (if we expand forever) all "glowing" activity will stop and the stars will all go out.

there will be a time when all energy (but for a scant residue) will be seized in matter.

the only thing that could re-unlock it is another big bang.

if the universe has enough mass so that it's gravity will overcome the outward fling of the last big bang, and fall back in again after the show is over, then the material universe lasts forever.

but it seems unfortunately that there is not enough matter to provide that "elastic bracing" that can contain eventually the momentum of the exudate from the big bang.


it seems that even with dark matter included, there is not enough mass to overcome the escape velocity that the big bang imparted.

but i have not stamped any final conclusion on the question.
there may be un thought of gravitational entities.

does energy have gravity?. yes.
since matter is bound energy, then matter has much gravity.
but there is so much unbound energy compared to bound, that it's inferrential mass may be enough to tip the scales toward material eternity.

it may be enough to add to the equation to then confirm that it will all fall back in.


i am only speculating, and my therapist when i was little used to tell me to add "i think" and "i believe" to my sentences so people will not think i have perfect proof of my assertions.
i forget to do that still.

i think my fear of living forever after all events have ceased, is not as great as your fear of dying.

you will gamble infinite misery to avoid true death.

i would not be horrified if i was going to live until the last star failed.
i would be so ready to die then though.

if i was condemned to live forever after it all finished then my god!

there is nothing to see and no one to tell your thoughts to forever.

you must not be able to imagine what i imagine it would be like to know that the loneliness of darkness and non stimulation will never end.

i would think (until my mind stopped thinking after time)
"where did all my friends go?
they died naturally way back when , and they all are together somewhere in a different reality, and i am here is this dead reality forever because i chose to live forever here."

no thanks.

it may be braver to take the plunge into the entirely "unknown" (death) than it is to cling pathetically to what is "known" forever.

you can not keep your grip forever.
you must dissolve like the rocks around you eventually will.

The quantum computer itself would have to be maintained and protected from any possible harm for an indefinite period. How to do this?

Fort Knox?

You could even get rid of the computer and store its subatomic information in yet another computer, which you could get rid of as well and... you get it.

It would require a secured indefinite power-source as well.

B9, you assume much about me. I have no fear of death! Why? You cannot experience non reality, so how can there be fear?
You just don't understand... It is not to avoid death!
To live after all else has passed is the ultimate! For you to fear that is, it's unthinkable!
That is the only true unkown, the only real challenge! To shy from that is the worst cowardice in my philosophies. I wholly comprehend that state as few others can.
Why do you fear it? Such mentality is alien to me - fear nothing but an abstract concept to explain why some falter where I would not. I cannot feel fear - but I cannot abide wasting my opportunity in reality by merely passing as so many animals. I cannot abide leaving my work undone. So all will one day cease to be. Big deal! Then the challenge of creating more appears. To cringe from that possibility out of fear of loneliness, why?
Loneliness is hardly anything new. Don't you have any sense of fun? Don't you being present for the whole of new things? My word, what an alien thing you - and those who think like you - are to me. Can you experience a detached, entirely conscious and in that way more profound joy at the abstract or undiscovered?

Kurzweil is one of my heroes. I hope he's right, like he has been previously with other predictions.

Everything dies, there is not defeating that.

The gavitrons flow through me carrying bits of me into unseen dimensions as I write this...